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Limited Free Will

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Van, Apr 27, 2019.

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    Van Well-Known Member
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    Thanks David, I agree your posts are a waste of your time.
     
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    Lost sinners can only keep on choosing the wrong thin in regards to Jesus and his offer of the Gospel!
     
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    Repeating falsehood does not make it true. Lost sinners had the limited free will to be in the process of entering the kingdom, thus seeking. Thus you assertion is unbiblical.
     
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    1) Why did Jesus need to speak in parables in Matthew 13? To prevent the lost from understanding.
    2) Why did God hardened the hearts of unbelieving Jews in Romans 11, to prevent the lost from understanding.
    3) Why did Paul speak to new Christians as to men of flesh using the milk of the gospel in 1 Corinthians 3? Because the lost have the limited free will to understand spiritual milk, but not solid food.
    4) Why were the men of Matthew 23:13 able to be in the process of entering the kingdom, if they did not have limited spiritual ability. And if this ability is claimed to be from irresistible grace, how is it that they were prevented from going in?

    The case is closed.
     
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    No lost sinner enters into kingdom unless granted that by the Holy Spirit!
     
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    Yes, I agree, our election for salvation is conditional on God crediting our faith in Christ as righteousness.

    But to rewrite God's inspired word to deny it means say his faith and your faith is beyond rational.
     
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    The is NO conditional election, as God chose me before I even heard of Jesus to be saved!
     
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    God chose you corporately before you even heard of Jesus, but not individually. See 2 Thessalonians 2:13.
     
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    Jesus died for me personally, so elected me individually!
     
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    God chose you corporately before you even heard of Jesus, but not individually. See 2 Thessalonians 2:13.
     
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    Again with a nonsense interpretation of 2 Thess. 2:13. It says God chose you to be saved. Then it explains how that salvation plays out.
     
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    The Greek form of salvation is a noun, therefore the "through" clause explains chose. Your claim turns the noun into a verb. Not how it reads.
     
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    Clearly you do not understand BASIC grammar. Chose is the verb. Salvation is the OBJECT of that verb. That doesn't make salvation a verb. Chose you to what? Chose you to salvation. Chose you for salvation. How does that possibly make that a verb?

    The rest of the verse describes the way that salvation is manifest.
     
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    Here is what you posted, turning the noun into a verb, "Again with a nonsense interpretation of 2 Thess. 2:13. It says God chose you to be saved."

    The clause modifies the verb, describing how we were chosen and on what basis we were chosen. How were we chosen, the Spirit set us apart in Christ. On what basis were we chosen, God crediting our faith in Christ as righteousness.
     
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    Guess I was right, you don't understand simple grammar.
     
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    Yet another "against the man argument" a logical fallacy, and a wasted post.
    Saved is a verb, salvation is a noun, and fallacy is fallacy.
     
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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA your whole argument is because I used the word saved and not salvation? Wow, you really need to go back to school.
     
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    Hi Davidtaylorjr,
    Concerning 2 Thessalonians 2:13, the "through..." clause
    modifies the verb, describing how we were chosen and on what basis we were chosen. How were we chosen, the Spirit sets us apart in Christ. On what basis were we chosen, God crediting our faith in Christ as righteousness.
     
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    I've already shown this is nonsense. If you want to ignore basic grammar and the rest of Scripture that is your problem. We were chosen to be saved. We were chosen from the beginning. We are not somehow chosen once our faith is activated. God gives us the faith BECAUSE we are chosen.
     
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    1) Your claim 2 Thessalonians 2:13 does not mean what it says is without merit.
    2) Your claim basic grammar supports your view is utterly false.
    3) We are chosen for salvation by the Spirit setting us apart in Christ based on God crediting our faith in Christ as righteousness.
    4) We were chosen, from the beginning of the New Covenant through faith in the truth.
    5) We are chosen through, or on the basis of our God accredited faith in Christ.
    6) The "Gift of Faith" doctrine is bogus, without support in scripture.
    7) We are chosen for salvation because God credits our faith as righteousness.
     
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