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Major Cities WITHOUT Major League Sports

Discussion in 'Sports Forum' started by Dr. Bob, May 23, 2004.

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  1. Dr. Bob

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    1-10
    New York, N.Y. 8,008,278
    Los Angeles, Calif. 3,694,820
    Chicago, Ill. 2,896,016
    Houston, Tex. 1,953,631
    Philadelphia, Pa. 1,517,550
    Phoenix, Ariz. 1,321,045
    San Diego, Calif. 1,223,400
    Dallas, Tex. 1,188,580
    San Antonio, Tex. 1,144,646
    Detroit, Mich. 951,270

    11-20
    San Jose, Calif. 894,943
    Indianapolis, Ind. 791,926
    San Francisco, Calif. 776,733
    Jacksonville, Fla. 735,617
    Columbus, Ohio 711,470
    Austin, Tex. 656,562
    Baltimore, Md. 651,154
    Memphis, Tenn. 650,100
    Milwaukee, Wis. 596,974
    Boston, Mass. 589,141

    21-30
    Washington, DC 572,059
    Nashville, Tenn.570,784
    El Paso, Tex. 563,662
    Seattle, Wash. 563,374
    Denver, Colo. 554,636
    Charlotte, N.C. 540,828
    Fort Worth, Tex. 534,694
    Portland, Ore. 529,121
    Oklahoma City, Okla. 506,132
    Tucson, Ariz. 486,699

    31-40
    New Orleans, La. 484,674
    Las Vegas, Nev. 478,434
    Cleveland, Ohio 478,403
    Long Beach, Calif. 461,522
    Albuquerque, N.M. 448,607
    Kansas City, Mo. 441,545
    Fresno, Calif. 427,652
    Virginia Beach, Va. 425,257
    Atlanta, Ga. 416,474
    Sacramento, Calif. 407,018

    41-50
    Oakland, Calif. 399,484
    Mesa, Ariz. 396,375
    Tulsa, Okla. 393,049
    Omaha, Neb. 390,007
    Minneapolis, Minn. 382,618
    Honolulu, Hawaii 371,657
    Miami, Fla. 362,470
    Colorado Springs, Colo. 360,890
    St. Louis, Mo. 348,189
    Wichita, Kans. 344,284

    Thoughts?
     
    #1 Dr. Bob, May 23, 2004
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    El Paso is really larger then the 500+ with the proximity to Juarez, Mexico. The number would be well into the millions and growing! The teams that are there realize this and market accordingly
     
    #2 go2church, May 23, 2004
  3. Dr. Bob

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    Did not realize that. Thanks.

    I was curious about St Louis, KC, Cleveland - all have BIG pro franchises, but being much smaller cities AND metro area than some who have none.

    Minneapolis I can see, because it should include St Paul with it (2 million metro area). But what about Austin, TX? Guess if you're in the triangle between DFW/Houston/San Antonio you just don't rate ANY team . . .
     
    #3 Dr. Bob, May 24, 2004
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    Atlanta, Georgia - 416,000 population? NO WAY! I have been in Atlanta many times recently. Atlanta is growing SO RAPIDLY!!!! It is should be around 2 million by now!

    The list of cities population ranks seem not make sense to me.

    Add Nashville, Tenn to the list. It is growing fast. It already over 1 million. Nashville should have baseball team.

    In Washington D.C..... the population does not always limited within square border line. D.C. metro area scattered over two states - Virginia and Maryland, it is now over 1 million population already. I have been in D.C. many times.

    D.C. should have baseball team.

    Hey, Indianapolis should also have baseball team too. Indianapolis is a pretty big city. I already past in that city.

    Columbus, Ohio should also have baseball team too. I past there many times. It is growing pretty good.

    Surprise, the population of Columbus already past Cleveland and Cincinnati.

    But, I used to lived in Cincinnati for 3 years. The metro area of Cincinnati is growing so rapidly!

    Hey! How about Charlotte, N.C.? Charlotte should added baseball team.

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 - Amen!
     
    #4 DeafPosttrib, May 24, 2004
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    Excuse me, not only baseball, also professional sports teams.

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 - Amen!
     
    #5 DeafPosttrib, May 24, 2004
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    You can't look at the population of a single city. Instead, you have to look at the size of the SMSA (Standard Metropolitan Statistical Area), which includes both the major city and the surrounding area. Another way to look at this is via their television market (which reflects the area population).
     
    #6 FriendofSpurgeon, May 24, 2004
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    Dr. Bob,
    Austin already has a "pro" football team-the University of Texas Longhorns. Their economics would rivals some pro franchises.
    WallyGator [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
    #7 WallyGator, May 24, 2004
  8. Dr. Bob

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    Will search for the metro area, rather than just the city population.

    (And agree with you on Texas!)

    And I can't help it if people are smart enough NOT to live in Atlanta itself, but in the outlying areas! I grew up in the inner city of Minneapolis.

    Would not wish that on my enemy.
     
    #8 Dr. Bob, May 25, 2004
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    (Rank) Market SMSA Population (Fall 2003)
    1 New York 15,340,000
    2 Los Angeles 10,609,200
    3 Chicago 7,612,100
    4 San Francisco 6,012,000
    5 Dallas-Ft.Worth 4,576,700
    6 Philadelphia 4,291,700
    7 Houston-Galveston 4,165,000
    8 Washington, DC 4,041,300
    9 Boston 3,888,800
    10 Detroit 3,859,700
    11 Atlanta 3,750,700
    12 Miami-Ft. Lauderdale-Hollywood 3,489,800
    13 Puerto Rico 3,264,900
    14 Seattle-Tacoma 3,150,300
    15 Phoenix 2,801,300
    16 Minneapolis-St. Paul 2,550,200
    17 San Diego 2,485,600
    18 Nassau-Suffolk (Long Island) 2,353,600
    19 Baltimore 2,236,800
    20 St. Louis 2,210,800
    21 Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater 2,194,600
    22 Denver-Boulder 2,150,300
    23 Pittsburgh 2,019,400
    24 Portland, OR 1,905,700
    25 Cleveland 1,800,600
    26 Cincinnati 1,691,100
    27 Sacramento 1,651,800
    28 Riverside-San Bernardino 1,571,100
    29 Kansas City 1,506,400
    30 San Antonio 1,496,600
    31 Salt Lake City-Ogden-Provo 1,467,800
    32 San Jose 1,466,800
    33 Milwaukee-Racine 1,420,300
    34 Providence-Warwick-Pawtucket 1,383,300
    35 Columbus, OH 1,382,600
    36 Middlesex-Somerset-Union 1,372,700
    37 Charlotte-Gastonia-Rock Hill 1,355,800
    38 Orlando 1,340,500
    39 Las Vegas 1,335,300
    40 Norfolk-Va Beach-Newport News 1,298,500
    41 Indianapolis 1,277,500
    42 Austin 1,189,800
    43 G'boro-Winston-Salem-High Point 1,106,400
    44 Raleigh-Durham 1,087,100
    45 Nashville 1,084,700
    46 New Orleans 1,074,800
    47 West Palm Beach-Boca Raton 1,054,100
    48 Memphis 1,029,100
    49 Hartford-New Britain-Middletown 1,020,200
    50 Jacksonville 1,014,900
     
    #9 Dr. Bob, May 25, 2004
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    I think it's debatable whether Cleveland has pro sports. ;)
     
    #10 PastorGreg, May 25, 2004
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    Has anyone ever tried a team in Las Vegas ?
     
    #11 Bro. Curtis, May 25, 2004
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    UNLV did for a while, until the NCAA caught on to Tarkanian... [​IMG]
     
    #12 Greg Linscott, May 25, 2004
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    Columbus once had pro football-the COLUMBUS BULLIES! Dayton had the TRIANGLES! And Portsmouth, OH(present pop. about 30K) once had the Spartans, who became the Detroit Lions in 1934.

    Am I right in saying that Green Bay is presently the smallest American city/metro area with a major pro sports franchise?
     
    #13 robycop3, May 26, 2004
  14. Dr. Bob

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    I would think so. Green Bay is about 100k and that is truly a "small" town. But to call the Packers "Green Bay" is really a misnomer. They represent the entire state and much of Michigan and Minnesota, too.

    BTW Foxboro, Massachusetts is only 16k
     
    #14 Dr. Bob, May 27, 2004
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    Green Bay is the smallest market, New England only plays in Foxboro, Boston is the market, and a huge one at that. BTW, the Packers are able to survive for three reasons, 1) they are publicly held 2) there is a salary cap in the NFL 3) there is profit sharing between the teams of the TV money meaning everyone gets the same amount. That is why stadium deals are such a huge deal, more bucks for the team that makes the deal. Baseball lets each team come up with their own deal for everything but merchandise, so NY gets huge bucks and KC doesn't and Montreal didn't even have a TV deal a few years back.
     
    #15 go2church, May 28, 2004
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    Too bad the team doesn't really match the economics. The Arkansas Razorbacks, members of the SEC defeated them pretty easily. [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
    #16 Joseph_Botwinick, May 28, 2004
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