1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Featured Man and Men in Various Translations

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Rippon, Feb 8, 2017.

  1. Rippon

    Rippon Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2005
    Messages:
    19,715
    Likes Received:
    585
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I wanted to see how various English translations compared with one another with two key words.
    First the number of times man was used in Romans, 1 Cor., 2 Cor. and Gal. Now sometimes the word
    many came up, I did not want to investigate each and every one --that's too time-consuming.

    NASB and NKJV tied at 129
    ESV : 89
    HCSB : 87
    ISV : 81
    LEB : 80
    NET and NIV tied at 76
    NLT : 65
    CEB : 64
    _________________________________________________________
    How often did the word men occur in Ro., 1 Cor., and Rev.? Look below.


    NASB : 58
    NKJV : 47
    ESV : 19
    HCSB : 15
    LEB : 7
    ISV : 6
    NET : 6
    NIV : 5
    CEB : 3
    NLT : 2
    ______________________________________________________________
    It looks like NASB and NKJV went a bit overboard compared with their peers.
     
  2. Baptist Brother

    Baptist Brother Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2017
    Messages:
    177
    Likes Received:
    27
    Is there a point to this?
     
  3. Rippon

    Rippon Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2005
    Messages:
    19,715
    Likes Received:
    585
    Faith:
    Baptist
    As far as the use of man there is a 40 point spread between the ESV and NASB/NKJV.
    There is only a 25 point spread between the ESV and CEB.
    It looks like there is more common ground here between the ESV and CEB than the former has
    with the NASB and NKJV.

    With respect to the use of men there is only a 17 point spread between the NKJV and the NLT.
    However, there is a 28 point difference between the ESV and NKJV. And there's a huge 39 point
    gap between the ESV and NASB.

    Conclusion: The NET, LEB and NIV seem to hit square in the middle.
     
  4. Rippon

    Rippon Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2005
    Messages:
    19,715
    Likes Received:
    585
    Faith:
    Baptist
    People (Ro.,1 Cor.,Heb., and Rev.)
    NLT : 183
    CEB : 162
    ISV : 131
    NIV : 119
    LEB : 92
    NET : 88
    HCSB : 84
    ESV : 59
    NASB : 37
    NKLJV : 36

    The LEB seems to be right in the middle here.

    Person (1Cor., Ro. and 1 Jn.)
    ISV : 83
    CEB : 64
    HCSB : 57
    NLT : 42
    NET : 39
    LEB : 36
    NIV : 32
    ESV : 19
    NASB : 10
    NKJV : 6

    And the NET is about dead center here.
     
  5. Rippon

    Rippon Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2005
    Messages:
    19,715
    Likes Received:
    585
    Faith:
    Baptist
    The CSB had a total of just 56. That's 20 less occasions than the NIV used the word.
    The CSB had just four instances in those books with that word. That's almost 25% of the times that the HCSB used the word in those books. The CSB is in good company with the other six single digit translations.
     
  6. Rippon

    Rippon Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2005
    Messages:
    19,715
    Likes Received:
    585
    Faith:
    Baptist
    The CSB has a total of 90.
    The CSB has the same total as the NET, at 39.
     
  7. Rippon

    Rippon Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2005
    Messages:
    19,715
    Likes Received:
    585
    Faith:
    Baptist
    In the book of Acts how often does the word men appear in the versions?

    ISV,NASB and NKJV : 90
    LEB : 89
    HCSB : 77
    ESV : 76
    NET : 68
    CSB : 66
    NLT and NIV : 65
    NRSV : 51
    CEB : 26

    The CSB seems to be keeping good company with the NET,NLT and NIV.

    What about the occurrence of the word man in the book of Acts in these various versions?

    NKJV : 134
    NASB, LEB and NET : 125
    HCSB : 124
    ESV : 120
    CSB : 114
    ISV : 110
    NIV : 106
    NLT : 105
    NRSV : 102
    CEB : 93

    The CSB is in the middle of the pack.

    Well, how about the instances of the word people in the book of Acts in these different translations?

    ISV : 109
    NIV : 105
    NLT : 104
    CEB : 104
    NET : 91
    CSB : 88
    LEB : 77
    NRSV : 73
    HCSB : 72
    ESV : 71
    NASB : 64
    NKJV : 60

    It seems the CSB is keeping to the middling point.
     
    #7 Rippon, Apr 13, 2017
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2017
  8. Rippon

    Rippon Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2005
    Messages:
    19,715
    Likes Received:
    585
    Faith:
    Baptist
    You know the drill:
    Person in James:

    LEB : 14
    CSB : 12
    NET : 11
    ISV : 9
    NIV : 9
    ESV : 8
    HCSB : 6
    NLT : 6
    CEB : 5
    NASB : 3
    NRSV : 3
    NKJV : 1

    The word people in Luke:

    ISV : 131
    CEB : 108
    NLT : 97
    NIV : 93
    NET : 83
    CSB : 68
    NRSV : 62
    ESV : 59
    HCSB : 59
    LEB : 59
    NASB : 54
    NKJV : 41

    Have you noticed how conservative the NRSV looks in these examples?
     
  9. reformed_baptist

    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2012
    Messages:
    276
    Likes Received:
    25
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I'm sorry - I have come late to this one - would you mind explaining to me what the point of analysis is please?
     
  10. Rippon

    Rippon Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2005
    Messages:
    19,715
    Likes Received:
    585
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Just look at the key words I have highlighted, then you will understand.
     
  11. Rippon

    Rippon Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2005
    Messages:
    19,715
    Likes Received:
    585
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Brothers and sisters

    In Romans
    CSB :14 mentions
    NIV : 12

    In 1 Thess.
    CSB : 16
    NIV : 15

    James
    CSB : 14
    NIV : 14

    1 Cor.
    CSB : 22
    NIV : 22

    Heb.
    CSB : 8
    NIV : 7

    So the CSB uses that term four more times than the NIV in those five books.
    Are any of you ready to get out your tar and feathers for the CSB translators?
    Aren't you at least going to use some intemperate and unreasonable language?
    I'm surprised. The TNIV was villified for less. I note the hypocrisy.
     
  12. reformed_baptist

    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2012
    Messages:
    276
    Likes Received:
    25
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I understand that it is something about so called 'gender inclusive language' but I don't get the point of the point of the comparisons (sorry for being dense)
     
  13. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Think that brother Rippon is trying to support why the Niv 2011 did a good job with inclusive language!
    Think this points out why both of them are the best choices for serious Bible studying!
     
  14. reformed_baptist

    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2012
    Messages:
    276
    Likes Received:
    25
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I didn't ask you! Forgive me, but I find it better to go the source to find things out rather then rely on other people's opinions :)
     
  15. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Just trying to help!
     
  16. Rippon

    Rippon Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2005
    Messages:
    19,715
    Likes Received:
    585
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I have been rather clear. I don't know why you are confused.

    The TNIV was treated like an abused step-child with all kinds of unfounded lies thrown at the translation team.
    For the 2011 NIV the opposition lost a lot of steam. They sputtered, but lost their mojo.

    Now with the modified HCSB called the CSB, the opposition has to eat crow. When the CSB in some cases uses more inclusive language than the NIV they will have to do a lot of backtracking.

    The hypocrisy is galling. So I have just come out with the numbers --facts in numerical form.
     
  17. Rippon

    Rippon Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2005
    Messages:
    19,715
    Likes Received:
    585
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I reviewed some of my numbers and found I made some errors.

    Regarding the use of the word men, :

    NASB : 65
    NKJV : 54
    ESV : 24
    HCSB : 14
    NET : 8
    NIV : 8
    LEB : 7
    NLT : 5
    CSB : 5
    ISV : 3
    NRSV : 3
    CEB : 0
     
  18. Rippon

    Rippon Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2005
    Messages:
    19,715
    Likes Received:
    585
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I apologize. I have been going through the numbers and there are significant errors.
    It is tedious, but I will get through all of them.

    In the OP I made mistakes that will be corrected here with respect to the use of man
    in 1 Cor., 2 Cor. and Gal.

    NASB : 44
    NKJV : 42
    ESV : 35
    NIV : 35
    ISV : 31
    NLT : 29
    CEB : 28
    LEB : 27
    NET : 26
    CSB : 26
    NRSV : 21
     
  19. Rippon

    Rippon Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2005
    Messages:
    19,715
    Likes Received:
    585
    Faith:
    Baptist
    The usage of the word men in the books of Ro., 1 Cor. and Rev.
     
  20. Rippon

    Rippon Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2005
    Messages:
    19,715
    Likes Received:
    585
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Mods or administrators: Please close this thread.

    Thank you.
     
Loading...