Mandatory Health Care

No. And you show how it should be done - through charity - not through the barrel of a gun through government force.

 

I completely agree with you in that it should be done through charity not by the government. It should be done by the church. The problem is that it just wouldn't happen in 99% of the cases. How many street people has your church funded for serious expensive medical care? I'm not aware that my church in NJ ever did that and we were relatively well off. What about the dying church in the inner city my brother pastored. No way.

This is going to get worse every year with the aging of the Baby Boomers. If we can't support the poor woman with 5 children aborting the 6th because she can't afford him what will we do in this case? Not providing medical care to someone who needs it but can't afford it is every bit as much murder as abortion.

 

Many times, however, they have to wait a long time or get subpar care. Would you be willing to trade your medical care for that of an indigent street person?

 

Life isn't fair.

In fact, it all ends badly regardless of how much enjoyment or suffering we have on this earth.

 

Have you been to the emergency room lately? Have you taken a look at the majority of the people there with you?

Maybe I'm kidding myself, but the care looks the same to me. Even though I am a paying customer and most of them are not, I have to wait my turn just like everyone else.

 

To use government force to implement these type of legislation is alright with me! I really enjoy hearing some rich guy gripe about having to give more to Uncle Sam. If I were in charge, they would be giving more!

 

We already have universal health care. It's just that it costs more and delivers less than systems in other countries.

 

Right except when the private sector runs it in a true competitive manner, it will provide products that the citizenry wants at fair market prices. Greed is common to man but competition for premiums leaves reasonable profits.

This is one reason govt. mandated health care is wrong for us.

No it is not. Premium health care for citizens of the US must be privately managed and the Fed must be kept out, or we'll resemble Canada.

 

You couldn't be more wrong. Canadians hate their HC system and if their ails are serious, they come here for care. So do Europeans. But we'll probably gravitate toward their systems soon enough, because the amount of moneys involved, can turn most any politicians head. Politicians love to dole out dollars for votes.

 

Yeah, shurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Just like mandatory auto insurance put our rates down?

 

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You couldn't be more wrong. Canadians hate their HC system and if their ails are serious, they come here for care...
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I am not going to get into yet another senseless debate over health care, but I can't resist this stupid statement. Canadians do not hate the system, and only a few seek medical care in the USA. These are mostly people with excessive monies and just won't wait in line in areas where medical people or facilities are not ready for them....NOW!

In all four of my strokes, I was treated instantly. To get an MRI, I had to wait 6 months. Think about it. The medical people already knew I had suffered a stroke and they treated it. An MRI simply pointed out the extent of damage and exact location of the cause of the stroke. If it was an emergency, it would have been done immediately. The cost? I walked out of hospital with no debt I did not lose my home because I could not afford to pay for medical services.

It is true, in the USA, that no person can be refused medical services because of finances. My daughter is a doctor within the American medical field and she attests this. Having said that however, people have been re-routed from hospital to hospital until they reached a public hospital that handled indigent people. Sort of the can't pay syndrome jitterbug. Some have even died in the ambulance.

We have flaws in the Canadian system. There are always problems wherever people are involved. Mistakes are made. We would be lying if we said otherwise.

Are there abuses of the system? Indeed there are. It sure beats the alternative though.

I remember the lack of medical care before National Health in the UK and the same in Canada. In the UK, we received "home remedy" care from the gypsies, who were the best horse "doctors" in the land. We couldn't afford legitimate drugs. We suffered colds and the sniffles in children. Under "free" medical care the emergency departments are packed with kiddies with sniffles, little scratches and bruises, whilst legitimate people with ails must wait in line.

You have socialization is so many areas of business.....government grants and legal easements making trade abroad easier, government protection iin farm products and the soft lumber undustry...and yet had so much fear of socialization you endorsed the McCarthy ways.

Time for wake up call. No man should lose his home because he becomes ill. The largest number of personal bankruptcies in the USA are due to medical costs above what the people can pay.

Have a good day. Just don't get ill!

Cheers,

Jim

 

Thank you Jim for this explanation! I never believed the lie that most Canadians hated their health care. I know that many poor people here with no insurance suffer because of it.

 

Jim:

Thank you for an excellent post. People in this country do need a wake up call. The reality is that most of us would lose our homes if we had a catastrophic illness in our family. The cost of health care is so far out of control that national health care is really the only option left...the sooner the better. Unfortunately, it seems that we have a lot of slow learners in the U.S.

PA

 

Giving "at the point of a gun", maybe? Since when is 'giving' that is akin to 'protection' by the gangster element, actually 'giving'? I'm certainly not saying there needs to me some things done, to improve access to health care. But Bill Gates and the Waltons, to name two well known "rich guys" never took one red cent from me by force, or 'coercion', and their 'profit margin' is well in line with most American companies, at least.

And I assure you that I will not buy even one gallon of fuel from any CITGO outfit, even when the price is cheaper than most others in my neighborhood. In fact, I intentionally paid 12 cents more per gallon on a 'fill-up' recently, rather than buy 'CITGO'. If you wnat to emulate Hugo Chavez and Ol' 'one foot in the grave, Fidel', be my guest. Not me! Americans, in general, own far, far more of Walmart, Exxon, and Microsoft, than even these so-called "rich guys". And the way they became "rich guys" was by building a better mousetrap. And you want to punish them for that??

Ever hear of the phrase, "Thou shalt not covet."? If someone would like, I can tell you where it can be found.

Ed

 

Like your tax rate?

If the U.S institutes a national health care plan similar to Canada's and it requires a similar tax contribution, we can look for our taxes to increase approximately 50% or more.

Then we have to be wiling to accept the same pitfalls that are inherent in such a system.

 

Unless the rules have changed, ones home cannot be siezed or liquidated due to personal bankruptcy.

Makes a good story, but I don't believe it is a valid point.

 

I think this is the point, If I'm a tax contributor in the system, I wouldn't want to wait for a free loader with the sniffles.

Jim, how are the doctors paid? Is there insentive for them to excel in their field?