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Mark 16:16

Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by Wygal, Jun 21, 2003.

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  1. Wygal

    Wygal New Member

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    Can some of you explain, with a little detail, why Mark 16:16 does NOT mean you have to be baptised to be saved? I don't believe that you have to be baptised to be saved, but need help in explaining this particular passage to someone else, who does believe that. Thanks.
     
    #1 Wygal, Jun 21, 2003
  2. Grasshopper

    Grasshopper Active Member
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    You do have to be Baptized. Spiritually speaking.
     
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  3. Helen

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    Wygal, First of all you need to know that there is serious doubt as to whether verses 9 to the end of Mark 16 were in the original manuscript or written by Mark! The vocabulary is different, the theological content is different, and there is certainly NO example of drinking deadly poison (there is another kind?) without harm in the New Testament!

    Metzger has an excellent referenced commentary here:
    http://www.letsdiscussjesus.org/mark_16920.htm

    Matt Slick, webmaster at CARM, used Metzger's material in a short essay he did on the subject of your question, here, which may help:
    http://www.carm.org/doctrine/Mark_16_16.htm

    Hope that helps a bit.
     
    #3 Helen, Jun 21, 2003
  4. Wygal

    Wygal New Member

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    Thanks! I'll check those out. Appreciate it a lot.
     
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  5. BrianT

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    "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

    "He that has a bath and combs his hair will be clean, but he that doesn't have a bath will be dirty."

    Combing your hair doesn't make you clean, and not combing it doesn't make you dirty, but it's something usually done after a bath.

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  6. Wygal

    Wygal New Member

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    Brian T, this person keeps saying something about the word 'and' (beleiveth 'and' baptised), as if it meant that the two go together to make one thing. I don't know for sure what they meant, or how to answer back about it.
     
    #6 Wygal, Jun 21, 2003
  7. dianetavegia

    dianetavegia Guest

    Baptism

    As administered by John
    Matthew 3:5-12; John 3:23; Acts 13:24; 19:4

    Sanctioned by Christ’s submission to it
    Matthew 3:13-15; Luke 3:21

    Adopted by Christ
    John 3:22; 4:1,2

    Appointed an ordinance of the Christian church
    Matthew 28:19,20; Mark 16:15,16

    To be administered in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit
    Matthew 28:19

    Water, the outward and visible sign in
    Acts 8:36; 10:47

    Regeneration, the inward and spiritual grace of
    John 3:3,5,6; Romans 6:3,4,11

    Remission of sins, signified by
    Acts 2:38; 22:16

    Unity of the Church effected by
    1 Corinthians 12:13; Galatians 3:27,28

    Confession of sin necessary to
    Matthew 3:6

    Repentance necessary to
    Acts 2:38

    Faith necessary to
    Acts 8:37; 18:8

    There is but one
    Ephesians 4:5

    ADMINISTERED TO
    Individuals
    Acts 8:38; 9:18
    Households
    Acts 16:15; 1 Corinthians 1:16
    Only to professing believers
    Acts 2:38; Matthew 3:6; Mark 16:16; Acts 8:12,37; 10:47,48


    Administered by immersing the whole body of the person in water
    Matthew 3:16; Acts 8:38,39

    Emblematic of the influences of the Holy Spirit
    Matthew 3:11; Titus 3:5

    Typified
    1 Corinthians 10:2; 1 Peter 3:20,21

    [ June 21, 2003, 08:32 PM: Message edited by: dianetavegia ]
     
    #7 dianetavegia, Jun 21, 2003
  8. Wygal

    Wygal New Member

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    Helen, the CARM link will do it. Thanks again!
     
    #8 Wygal, Jun 21, 2003
  9. Wygal

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    Thanks, Diane! We're gathering a lot of information today on this subject. Hope the ink doesn't run out!
     
    #9 Wygal, Jun 21, 2003
  10. Artimaeus

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    Prov. 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

    Diane, ??? How is this a scripture supporting infant baptism? (I am guessing a typo somewhere)

    Joe
     
    #10 Artimaeus, Jun 21, 2003
  11. dianetavegia

    dianetavegia Guest

    Thanks for catching that Artimaeus! I do not believe in infant baptism and had gotten those verses from a Topical dictionary. Overlooked that one!
     
    #11 dianetavegia, Jun 21, 2003
  12. aefting

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    Don't think it was a typo . . .

    If I remember correctly, I saw a similar list in the John MacArthur Study Bible. I think he put that in there as a light-hearted stab against infant baptism.

    Andy
     
    #12 aefting, Jun 22, 2003
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