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"MARK" of the Beast (bring calculator)

Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by ken1burton, Apr 20, 2002.

  1. ken1burton

    ken1burton Guest

    (REVELATION 13:18) Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (KJV)

    Wisdom is seeing the day of the cross as 7 time periods, understanding is seeing the day of the cross as 3 pictures which make up the 7 time periods. God's word tried in a furnace as silver tried 7 times.

    The 4 beasts with six wings is the first picture seen in Revelation 4:7/8. The day as 2 12-hour periods seen as the 2 beasts in Revealtion chapter 13. One out of the sea with 7 heads and 10 horns, the second out of the earth with 2 horns like a lamb (goat can be a passover lamb in Exodus 12:5, Only a goat as a lamb has 2 horns) and speaks like a dragon.

    beast number 7 will not be seen, the Scarlet coloured beast is already numbered, He is the eighth and of the seven, He is all 7 together. Scarlet coloured because He is covered with blood. Legs like brass burned in a furnace is the blood all over Christ's legs.

    After God says to count the number of the beast, the next verse is Revelation 14:1, where the Beast is, for a beast is a four footed animal. And a Lamb is a beast of the field.

    (REVELATION 13:18) Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (KJV)

    (REVELATION 14:1) And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. (KJV)

    NOTE: FATHER's Name written in their FOREHEADS. Mark of the BEAST in their FOREHEADS.

    (PSALMS 37:37) Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright: for the end of that man is peace. (KJV)

    MARK THE PERFECT MAN can only apply to putting a mark on Jesus. The Lamb of God (a beast of the field), The Lion of the Tribe of Judah, (a beast of the forest)

    Abel offers the lamb, Abel is the Jewish nation, Jesus said "No man cometh unto the Father, But by Me." The Jewish nation sealed from seeing Jesus is the Christ in Isaiah 29:10/12 is Spiritually dead. SLAIN by his brother. Jesus is CAIN, a Similitude.

    (GENESIS 4:9) And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: am I my brother's keeper? (KJV)

    God never answered that question asked by Cain in Scriptures, I will answer it now, "Yes Jesus, You are Your brother's keeper, and Thou has done it well."

    "behold the Lamb of God which TAKETH AWAY the sin of the World." If you want the man of sin to have 666on His forehead, Remember Jesus has all iniquity form Isaiah 53:6.

    (ISAIAH 53:6) All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. (KJV)

  2. Carly33

    Carly33 New Member

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    Exactly what! are you trying to say???? :confused:
  3. donnA

    donnA Active Member

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    Do you figure this out all by yourself? Or do you read something?
    I also don't see a point here.
  4. Don

    Don Well-Known Member
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    His point is that Jesus is the beast mentioned in Revelation, and the mark of the beast means the mark of Cain, and Cain=Jesus.

    He's saying that there is no actual anti-Christ, because the anti-Christ (as understood by everyone else in the world) is actually Christ Himself, when He took the sins of the world upon Himself as the sacrifice for our sins.

    He's basically saying that the beast and the Lamb are one and the same; however, that requires ignoring scripture, because scripture is explicitly clear that the two are separate entities (see Rev 14:8-12).

    He's likening Jesus to Cain, which is an extremely lousy likening, in that Cain rebelled against and refused God (by not offering his first fruits, and killing someone who did), something Jesus (God's own son) never did.

    If Cain is a similitude of anything, it's the nation of Israel, who rejected God's gift, and rebelled against and refused God.

    And he really, really needs to compare the four beasts with the passages in Ezekiel, and get his thinking on those things straightened out as well. He mixes the 4 beasts mentioned in Revelation 4 and 5 with the other beast mentioned in Revelation 13.

    All in all, it's extremely poor exegesis, and it's extremely poor theology...in my personal opinion....
  5. tyndale1946

    tyndale1946 Well-Known Member
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    Ken If I said in the pulpit what you said they would show me the door...OUT!... I never saw that in my KJV and I've been reading and studying it for 35 years. Must be in one of them new translations they are talking about in the forum Bible versions and translations. God is not the author of confusion!... Brother Glen :( :eek: :rolleyes: :confused:

    [ April 20, 2002, 12:48 PM: Message edited by: tyndale1946 ]
  6. ken1burton

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    Don has a lot of this explained, But Jesus is the lamb of God, seen in Daniel as the beast is slain and His body given to the fire (Jeremiah 23:29 likens God's word like as a fire.)

    Consider what the Spiritual condition is of the Jewish nation when Jesus said "No man cometh unto the Father but by Me." Spiritually dead maybe? as in Slain.

    The Jewish nation under the law offers the Sacrifice of Christ. He is the Final sacrifice. That Sacrifice had to be done under the law. Jesus is the Goat offered for the sin offering. A Passover lamb can be out of the Goats seen in Exodus 12:5.

    God blinded Israel from seeing Jesus is the Messiah. Had they seen Jesus as the Christ they would not have offered Jesus upon the cross and God's plan of Salvation would not have been fulfilled.

    Here is the law for the Sacrifice, Jesus and Barabbas fulfill this the day of the cross.

    (LEVITICUS 16:8) And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the Lord, and the other lot for the scapegoat. (KJV)
    (LEVITICUS 16:9) And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the Lord's lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering. (KJV)
    (LEVITICUS 16:10) But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the Lord, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness. (KJV)

    Here is the Scripture for the nation of Israel being blinded as in a deep sleep from seeing Jesus is the Christ so the offering would be made.

    (ISAIAH 29:10) For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered. (KJV)
    (ISAIAH 29:11) And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot;
    for it is sealed: (KJV)

    There is a wall of men around Jesus as Judas comes with the band of men from the Chief Priests. That wall seen in Revelation 21:17 shows 144 men, they have the cubit added (reached angel status). Multiplied by 1,000 by Deuteronomy 1:11. They are the 144,000 with Jesus in Revelation chapter 14. They are SEALED, or can not see Jesus is the Messiah by Isaiah 42:19/20

    The Nation of Israel is seen as the Woman in Revelation chapter 12. The Moon is under her feet. The moon likened to the establishment of the Throne in Psalms 89:37 is turned to blood as the offering of Jesus established the Throne of Christ.

    Abel offers the Lamb, God is more pleased with the Lamb being offered then Cain offering the Firstfruits. The Firstfruits seen in Revelation chapter 14 as the 144,000. Offered by Christ by forgiving them, God still prefers the Lamb being offered.

    (REVELATION 14:4) These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. (KJV)

    They are Virgins, The day of the Cross is the day of the Birth of the Body of Christ seen in Psalms 2:6/7. This is the fulfillment of the Virgin Birth as all prophecies are fulfilled the day of the cross. These are men travailing with Child.

    A requirement being Heaven and Earth first had to pass away, Which is the first two 6-hour time periods as Old Heaven and Old Earth fled from the face of the Third beast with 6-wings which is the Judgment from sunrise to noon.

    (MATTHEW 5:18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. (KJV)

    The Virgin birth can not be fulfilled TILL heaven and earth pass.

    (REVELATION 20:11) And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. (KJV)

    The Withe horse is the First 6-hour periods, as the first two have been removed, the Judgment seen as the Black horse with Balances is now seen as WHITE throne of Judgment.

    Third angel sounds (surise to noon) the Star Wormwood falls, Prophecy for the Judgment falling on Christ, Christ made all things cursed, even as the earth.

    (AMOS 1:1) Ye who turn judgment to wormwood, and leave off righteousness in the earth, (KJV)

    (REVELATION 8:10) And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; (KJV)
    (REVELATION 8:11) And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. (KJV)

    Because the day of the cross is seen as 3 pictures in Revelation. A third part is being seen. 1 as 4 6-hour periods as 4 beasts with 6-wings, 1 as 2 12-hour periods as 2 witnesses, 1 as 1 24-hour period as 24 Elders.

    The first picture as 4 6-hour periods is as the Garden of Eden, as a river divided into 4 heads. The people as waters, Jesus as the Ark, the Waters or people lift up the Ark. Noah's Ark is also a similitude.

    That is why they are seen entering the Ark again after the waters are already upon the face of the Earth. Second time it shows the "Lord shut them in." Second picture as Jesus in hell or as Shut in.

    Because all the Concepts interlock. The entire picture helps to put the Scriptures in a better light, and seeing a loving God is the Best light for the Scripture.

  7. ken1burton

    ken1burton Guest


    God is not the Author of Confusion. God is the Author or inspirer of the Scriptures. God speaks in Similitudes. God speaks through Jesus in Parables, God had inspired over 1,000 chapters in the Old and New Testament.

    The Bible confuses many people. Like any lesson book, You need to study it. Get a understanding of it. As you do, you see clearer and clearer (Hopefully)

    Confusion has no solution. What is unlearned has a solution available. Confusion is a indication that more study is needed.

    The Book of Revelation is inspired by God. Can you honestly say it is not confusing? At least till it is understood at least a little.

    Many people claim they can not understand the Bible, Would it be wrong to say it confuses them? God Confounded the ones at Babel. What is the meaning of Confound? Were they confused by one another's speech?

    Simple would be a one line Bible. "God loves mankind, all saved by grace, have a good day."

  8. Methodist Militant

    Methodist Militant New Member

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    What you have posed is what Paul referred to as "high sounding logic." However, when you boil it down, it amounts to blasphemy and heresy. It is completely incompatiable with Holy Scripture.
    In Christ,


    Mark 16:19
  9. The Galatian

    The Galatian New Member

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    O.K. Clint, if I stepped over the line on this one, feel free to cut it without even telling me:

    666 Number of the beast
    668 Neighbor of the beast
    660 Approximate Number of the Beast
    DCLXVI Roman Numeral of the Beast
    666.0000 Number of the High Precision Beast
    0.666 Number of the Millibeast
    1/666 Common Denominator of the Beast
    666[-/(-1)] Imaginary number of the Beast
    1010011010 Binary Number of the Beast
    29A Hexidecimal Number of the Beast
    -666 Negative Number of the Beast
    00666 Zip code of the Beast
    $665.95 Retail Price of the Beast
    $699.25 Price of the Beast Plus 5% State Sales Tax
    $769.95 Price of the Beast with all Accessories and Replacements
    $656.66 Wal-Mart Price of the Beast
    $646.66 Next week's Wal-Mart Price of the Beast
    $333.00 After Christmas sale Price of the Beast
    $222.00 Going Out Business Liquidation Price of the Beast
    Phillips 666 Gasoline of the Beast
    Route 666 Way of the Beast
    665 Older Brother of the Beast
    667 Younger Brother of the Beast
    6-6-6 Fertilizer of the Beast
    666 UP Soft Drink of the Beast
    666lb cap Weight Limit of the Beast
    666 F Oven Temperature for Cooking Roast "Beast"
    666k Retirement Plan of the Beast
    666 mg Recommended Minimum Daily Requirement of Beast
    6.66% 5 Year CD Rate at First Beast of Hades, $666 Minimum Deposit
    1-800-666-6666 Toll Free Number of the Beast
    Lotus 6-6-6 Spreadsheet of the Beast
    Word 6.66 Word Processor of the Beast
    i66686 CPU of the Beast
    666i BMW of the Beast
    666-66-6666 Social Security Number of the Beast
    6/6/66 Birth Date of the Beast
    666.AC.com URL of the Beast
    IAM 666 License Plate Number of the Beast
    Formula 666 All Purpose Cleaner of the Beast
    WD-666 Spray Lubricant of the Beast
    66.6 MHz FM Radio Station of the Beast
    666 KHz AM Radio Station of the Beast
    Chanel No. 666 The Beast's Favorite Perfume
    666% What the Beast Gives in His Game
    Colt 666 Revolver or Beer of the Beast
    0.666 x 10^3 = Number of the scientific beast.
    -0.809016994374947424102293417182819 - Sin of the Beast
    0.587785252292473129168705954639073 Co-Sin of the Beast
    1^666 The Power of the Beast
    (666)^0.5 = The Root of all Evil
    66...uh, what was that number again? - Number of the blonde beast.
    Form 666-EVIL IRS form of the Beast
    666/29 - Film speed of the Beast
    1/666 Maximum shutter speed of the Beast
    1:6.66 Maximum aperature of the Beast
    666/16 Zeiss Ikonta of the Beast
    ISO 666 - Manufacturing standard of the Beast
    Sick, sick, sick! - Health of the Beast
    665.9997856 - The Number of the Beast on a Pentium

    [ April 20, 2002, 04:45 PM: Message edited by: The Galatian ]
  10. Carly33

    Carly33 New Member

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    Galatians ...that is just way toooo funny...I almost split a gut laughing.That's about how much stock I put in ken's theories.

    I've heard a lot of things but Cain being Jesus is just too far out there....besides the antichrist is thrown into the lake of fire...are we suggesting Jesus spends eternity there????

    Hope its a joke! [​IMG]
  11. LadyEagle

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    The Galatian: Your post is over the top! ROFL (holding sides)! Maybe Clint will put this one in the Library! It's a classic! [​IMG] :D :D :D :D :D :D ;)
  12. ken1burton

    ken1burton Guest

    I am sure that "The Galatian" and "Post-it" was molded the same day by God.

    The lake of fire is a very nice place, and Jesus is there for eternity. What you believe the lake of fire is, is error.

    (JEREMIAH 23:29) Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces? (KJV)

    To be immersed in God's word is to be cast into the lake of fire, or as Baptised with fire.

    Death and hell are Scriptural points Jesus had to deal with the day of the cross. They are immersed in God's word as they are fulfilled.

    Those not found written in the Lamb's book of life have yet to be conceived. They will be written there WHEN they are conceived. THEN they are ALIVE, A living soul. They are covered by God's word. They are immersed in the same grace that saves us.

    The overcomers at Smyrna which is the second message to the Churches in Revelation are not hurt by the Second death. The second death is to be cast into the lake of fire.

    The message to the seven churches are seven steps to God. They can be seen as steps by just looking at what the overcomers get. First gets to eat of the Tree of Life, or they can come and look at Scripture.

    Second step which is Smyrna is to believe God's word, as a believer it will not hurt you to be immersed in God's word, which is the lake of fire, which is the second death.

    (REVELATION 2:11) He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. (KJV)

    (REVELATION 20:14) And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. (KJV)

    The sixth step the overcomers are made a pillar in the Temple of God, the seventh we get to sit with Jesus in His throne. These are steps to God. And like Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, The fire is NO PROBLEM. Because Jesus is in there with us.

    Maybe BACKWARDS is a better way to see. Like hindsight.

    (REVELATION 14:12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (KJV)

    These people that are talked about, are believers in Christ. But the previous verses show where the HERE is.

    (REVELATION 14:11) And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. (KJV)

    The smoke is of the saints, There lifting up is as SMOKE. We are tormented as we try to reach those that do not know God. "for ever" is the day of the cross, a day taken out of time, "For ever and ever" is the day of the cross and everlasting future.

    Remember the DEEP SLEEP from seeing Jesus is the Christ, we have no rest (deep sleep) we see Jesus is the Christ.

    (REVELATION 14:10) The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: (KJV)

    This is also the day of the cross, God's word like as a fire, and His breadth (Holy Spirit) as Brimstone.

    Jesus and the Holy angels are there. For He shall give His angels charge over Thee. Those are the 144 with Judas which go to get Jesus, Angels gather all things that offend is Jesus with the sin of the World.

    (ISAIAH 30:33) For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the Lord, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it. (KJV)

    Blaspheme and Heresy are things all the believers are accused of, Paul was, Peter was, and Jesus Himself died when He spoke words unlawful for a man to Speak,

    The day as 7 days, His days as heaven, the third heaven is sunrise to noon.

    (2CORINTHIANS 12:4) How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. (KJV)

    (MARK 14:61) But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? (KJV)
    (MARK 14:62) And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. (KJV)
    (MARK 14:63) Then the high priest rent his clothes, and saith, What need we any further witnesses? (KJV)
    (MARK 14:64) Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death. (KJV)

  13. Don

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  14. Carly33

    Carly33 New Member

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    Re: Michael Traverser

    Well , well, well....I'm totally at a loss....what you can't dream up...somewhere on the internet you'll surely find it....*shakes head*...nothing short of dumbfounded...
  15. donnA

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    And now I can see why numerology is so dangerous to fool around with. You can come up with all kinds of anti biblical ideas.
    I think it's a waste on my time to read anymore of these types of posts
  16. ken1burton

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    I went to the web site you suggested, I just marked it so I could get back to it. That is not a simple site. The Graphics are glorious. Any thing in particular there?

    OK, went to the site again, took a look. Got enough to see a lot of error.

    Michael is seen in the Book of Revelation. And the Book of Revelation shows the day of the cross as 7 time periods. Sunset to Midnight is Old Heaven. That is where the WAR IS.

    Daniel seen in a vision, Jesus coming unto him. Daniel is dead, there is no breadth in him. The vision is for the day of the cross when even those in the grave would hear His voice.

    Michael is seen in Daniel as a prince. Jesus is seen in Revelation 1:5 as a PRINCE. When the day of the cross starts out, Jesus is a prince, He goes to the cross as a King seen in Psalms 2:6.

    The Lord told Daniel that only Michael your Prince stood up to help Him in His coming.

    First a little look at Judas, a man Christ's equal in the Psalms. Both a PRINCE. Judas is Michael. the battle is on the mount of Olives.

    (PSALMS 55:12) For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that hated me that did magnify himself against me; then I would have hid myself from him: (KJV)
    (PSALMS 55:13) But it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance. (KJV)
    EQUAL, Hint, Hint

    (PSALMS 17:2) Let my sentence come forth from thy presence; let thine eyes behold the things that are equal. (KJV)

    (DANIEL 10:13) But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia. (KJV)

    The day of the cross is as 7 days in Isaiah 30:26. As God makes 3 pictures of the day. "Measure of wheat for a penny, three measures of Barley for a penny." it is seen as 21 days. (Persia), the day as the law of the medes and Persians, God said it, now He has to go by it Himself.

    The devil is come down unto you having great wrath (one of the sins of the World), Knowing He has but a short time. About 16 hours and Jesus will be dead on the cross.

    The Lord seen devouring like a lion in Hosea 13:8, Roaring in Psalms 22:1, In Adversity when the people are gathered together in Psalms 35:15. Your Adversary the Devil as a roaring Lion seeking whom He may devour.

    There are 144 with Judas, they are the angels given charge over Jesus, So the Devil and His angels (Jesus and the Disciples) fight, and Michael and His angles (Judas and the 144 seen as 144,000 by Deu 1:11) fight, and there place is not found in Heaven anymore, as Old Heaven ended at Midnight. Old Earth started at Midnight.

    (MATTHEW 12:22) Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw. (KJV)

    The man blind and dumb was possessed with a DEVIL.

    (EXODUS 4:11) And the Lord said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the Lord? (KJV)

    God makes the Blind and the Dumb. God is in control of the man.

    (ISAIAH 45:11) Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me. (KJV)

    God allowed Himself to be commanded, so the blind man sees and speaks, is this really too hard to understand????

    (REVELATION 16:14) For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. (KJV)

    This Battle takes place at Golgotha. Sin, death and hell were what was being battled.

    (JOB 37:2) Hear attentively the noise of his voice, and the sound that goeth out of his mouth. (KJV)
    (ISAIAH 7:18) And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall hiss for the fly that is in the uttermost part of the rivers of Egypt, and for the bee that is in the land of Assyria. (KJV)

    The Lord Hisses. how many hints are needed to see a Serpent. and who that serpent is.

    (REVELATION 16:15) Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. (KJV)
    (REVELATION 16:16) And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. (KJV)
    (REVELATION 16:17) And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. (KJV)
    (REVELATION 16:18) And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. (KJV)

    Armageddon is a place called Calvary, there is no temple in Heaven, the lamb is the light of it, Matthew recorded the Words as "It is finished", Here the words are seen as "It is done" And then the EARTHQUAKE. "Great" is a keyword when something is sealed and has to be searched out, Jesus is made all things cursed, He is the EARTH, and at Death His Body shook. a EARTHQUAKE.


    [ April 20, 2002, 11:39 PM: Message edited by: Ken Burton (one between screen name ]
  17. HankD

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    Ken, do you know Kim (Screen name Star) ?

    Your (and her) interpretation of Scripture seem remarkably similar.

  18. Star

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    Yes Hank, We live in different states but we know each other through the internet (over the past year) We differ on some things but I'm up to being wrong, I just can only live up to the light revealed. I have a post where I show Christ as Abel, He says its "Cain" (Though I do think I have much more scriptural back up- smirking at Ken) I'm up to test His conclusions on the basis of seeing "all things" summed up in Christ.

    I saw similitudes before I met Ken, I was just amazed that someone else saw them. I'm not His follower just his freind [​IMG]

    In Him Kim
  19. Carly33

    Carly33 New Member

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    I think this whole topic is bizarre!!!
  20. ken1burton

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    Bizarre? The Mark of the Beast is Scriptural. Mark the Perfect man is Scriptural. (I only know one person that that would apply to.) A Lamb being a beast of the Field is Scriptural. God hiding His face is Scriptural. God speaking in Similitudes is Scriptural.

    Seek My Name, Seek My Face is Scriptural. You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with your whole heart is Scriptural.

    There are thousands of pieces in the Bible. Grace covers our not getting them all right. Hunger and searching for Righteousness is what makes many search with their whole heart. Seeking to get every piece they can.

    The Scriptures go together, But only when placed in the right order. Only with the concepts in the right context God inteneded them to be in.

    God uses that which is despised, He uses base thing, and even things that are not. Everything needs to be searched, and sorted.

    If you desire simple, here is it. You are saved by grace, go sit on the porch and wait for death to be with God physically.

    But if Simple is not enough, If you hunger to know God better. Then study the Scriptures more then listening to others. Search out everything someone tells you about God till you know if it is truth or error, and the reasons it is truth or errors.

    We have Eternity, Start when ever you desire. If you are offended, you will not learn.

    The Disciples did not record a event at the Last Super. God did. Drinking blood is an abomination to a Jew, and the Disciples are all Jews.

    The Disciples all vomited when Jesus said the Wine was His blood. And God uses this to show we need to grow up and not be offended, but to learn by these two verses.

    (ISAIAH 28:8) For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean. (KJV)
    (ISAIAH 28:9) Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. (KJV)

    (PSALMS 119:165) Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them. (KJV)

    (1CORINTHIANS 1:28) And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: (KJV)

    The things I write offend many, Sorry but they are what I see in Scripture. What I see, I share, and that gives me more and more.

    (LUKE 6:38) Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again. (KJV)

    I know the mechanics of God's words as far as preaching, If you share what He shows you, He will give you more to share. If you keep to yourself what God shows you. Then you are not given more, you are not using what He has already given you.

    God gives the fragments here a little, there a little. Listen to everyone. Who knows who God will use as a messenger. A toddler can carry a message, as well as a retarded person. God likes to use someone we do not want to listen to. That way it teaches us to listen to everyone, even ourselves.

    God's word does not return void, The words spoken through you, might be for you. Listen to your enemies carefully. God might be using them as a microphone.