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  1. JustAsIAm

    JustAsIAm New Member

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    Kathryn - Thank you for explaining that to me, I'm not even a Catholic and I was horrified when my sister (the Baptist) told me that. She must have misunderstood my other sister.

    LaRae, Thanks too. I am willing to guess that my sis misunderstood this part too. They kind of "go at" each other in matters of faith (kind of like this board at times ;) ), both of your posts together make sense to me!
     
  2. Kathryn

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    JustasIam: You are very welcome. I suspected something got lost in the translation. [​IMG]

    God Bless
     
  3. John3v36

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    The below was taken from:
    http://www.freedomfromcatholicism.com/KingJames1.html

    Freedom From Catholicism
    Mary Ann Collins
    (A Former Catholic Nun)
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    Heavenly Father, I renounce every kind of devotion to the Virgin Mary. I renounce the veneration of Mary. I renounce worship of Mary. I renounce every special title which has been given to Mary. I renounce belief in apparitions of "Mary". I renounce everything which I have said or done because of instructions from these apparitions. I repent of everything which I have said or done in order to venerate the Virgin Mary or to show special devotion to her. I repent of any way in which I have consecrated myself to Mary. I repent of praying the Rosary. I repent of wearing medals, jewelry, rosary bracelets or scapulars which honor Mary. I repent of saying prayers to Mary and singing songs in her honor. I repent of asking Mary to intervene on my behalf instead of trusting God to hear my prayers because He loves me. I repent of believing that Mary could help me or my loved ones. I repent of ever saying or implying that the Virgin Mary is my queen or my mother. I declare that Mary was an ordinary woman who was given the privilege of being the mother of Jesus. She made mistakes like the rest of us. She needed a savior like the rest of us. Please forgive me for believing Catholic doctrines which exalt Mary above other people. Please forgive me for making an idol out of her. In the name of Jesus. Amen.
     
  4. Kathryn

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    Catholics worship God alone, so I don't relate to the prayer you keep posting.
    Here is a well-known Catholic prayer that is special to me:
    God Bless
     
  5. John3v36

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    he same way Jesus did when ask about what the said in John6:53

    John 6:60 ΒΆ Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
    61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
    62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
    63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit , and they are life.

    It was a figure & it a type.

    Just like when Jeuse said:

    John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

    Is there some door we have to get a priest to bless so we can walk though it.

    NO!! It is a type.
     
  6. GraceSaves

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    John,

    Jesus' words are spirit and life.

    You highlight "spirit" and declare that this means symbolic.

    If this is so, then either:

    1) Not all of Jesus' words are spirit and life, only those which he means symbolically, or

    2) All of Jesus' words, which are spirit and life, are symbolic.

    So, because you insist that His words are "spirit" and that makes what he says "a type," which is it: 1 or 2?
     
  7. GraceSaves

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    Can I have the address of your mother and father? I want to write them a letter and tell them that you do not honor them nor have any special devotion to them.

    I mean, this must be the case, since you repent of honoring (the definition of venerate) and being devoted to people. God frowns on honoring people and being devoted to them, after all, right?

    Oh, and how about the address of the cemetary where your deceased loves ones were buried. We need to make sure that because they have died, that their tombstones read that you no longer honor them or hold special places for them in your heart.

    :rolleyes: I hope you see how ridiculous your supporting of some of the stuff you're posting is.
     
  8. MikeS

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    How many disciples left Jesus when He spoke these words? Now, how many left Him in John 6? Obviously they detected the difference, even though you don't.

    Further, Christ did not institute a rite of passing through a doorway at the Last Supper for us to remember Him by, and for us to join in His One Sacrifice.
     
  9. DHK

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    "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven."
     
  10. Charles33

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    Quoted by John 3v36 - which I will soon ask you to explain in detail (jn3:36 that is...)
    I find, even with my Baptist hat on, this to be a ridiculous statement than can only come from a person who has no logic or well thought out reasonings, but only anger or agenda as their guide.

    Mary was an ORDINARY woman? But...was given the PRIVILEGE, are we actually saying this?...of being the MOTHER of Jesus, the INCARNATE WORD, EMMANUEL, GOD WITH US, the SAVIOR of mankind. How beyond all reason to any Christian, would being the Mother or Jesus be ordinary? Imagine the most extroidinary person you have ever met in relation to being Christ like. Imagine Mary greater than this. When God chose the vessel for a sinless Christ, did he not consecrate that vessel? Or did He place sinlessness into filth? Did God not even do what He asked those in the Old Testament to do to vessels housing God?
     
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    I awoke at 5:30 this morning, ground some Starbucks coffee, read some Scripture, warmed up the car amid the snow and drove to the chapel on campus where about a hundred college students were praying silently. Father Stan - my favorite preacher on campus - celebrated the Divine Liturgy. I saw Jesus, I received Jesus, and as Jesus begged me to return his gift of love in the Eucharist by submitting myself to his reign today, I loved my king.

    [​IMG]

    [above] Fr. Stan preaching to us when we were on mission in Honduras where we evangelized and administered Baptism and the Eucharist throughout the Diocese of Trujillo.
     
  12. John3v36

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    I pick 3.

    The word He spoke where (TO PUT IN OTHER WORDS) symbolic and life giving.

    Just like in John 10:9 "I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture."

    "be saved" & "find pasture"
     
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    I find, even with my Baptist hat on, this to be a ridiculous statement than can only come from a person who has no logic or well thought out reasonings, but only anger or agenda as their guide.

    Mary was an ORDINARY woman? But...was given the PRIVILEGE, are we actually saying this?...of being the MOTHER of Jesus, the INCARNATE WORD, EMMANUEL, GOD WITH US, the SAVIOR of mankind. How beyond all reason to any Christian, would being the Mother or Jesus be ordinary? Imagine the most extroidinary person you have ever met in relation to being Christ like. Imagine Mary greater than this. When God chose the vessel for a sinless Christ, did he not consecrate that vessel? Or did He place sinlessness into filth? Did God not even do what He asked those in the Old Testament to do to vessels housing God?
    </font>[/QUOTE]Every person God use thoghout history is ORDINARY.

    What is extroidinary is God use ordinary to do extroidinary things. [​IMG]

    1 Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
     
  14. DHK

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    Carson, don't lie to us.
    That is not Fr. Stan.

    I know that it is not.
    DHK
     
  15. LaRae

    LaRae Guest

    What are you babbling about?


    LaRae
     
  16. prionseas

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    What are you babbling about?


    LaRae
    </font>[/QUOTE]Why do you accuse DHK of "babbling" when all he did was question the identiy of a priest in a photograph?. Could this be the way American Catholics respond when one of there "brethren" are questioned about the statements they make.

    Every blessing

    Prionseas
     
  17. GraceSaves

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    Go ahead and change your position. I'll just turn my head and pretend like I didn't notice. :rolleyes:

    Your basis for saying that Jesus was speaking symbolically in John chapter 6 was because He said His words were (and you bolded it for us) "spirit."

    Therefore, the only thing you could possibly have been saying is that WHEN JESUS SPEAKS WORDS OF "SPIRIT," HE IS SPEAKING SYMBOLICALLY.

    Therefore, the ONLY choices you have are what I posted as 1 and 2. Your own number three has ZERO evidence to support it. You tell me that Jesus was speaking symbolically (and give me a symbolic statement that is in a different sermon given by Jesus) and say: "See, He was speaking symbolically there so He must be being symbolically here too!" That doesn't work at all. Because He did it once doesn't mean everything is the same.

    AGAIN, ignore it if you wish, but your original stance was that by speaking words that are "spirit," He meant symbolically. THUS, when Jesus speaks "in Spirit and truth" He is speaking symbolically and not literally, OR, Jesus only speaks "in spirit" when He speaks symbolically.

    There is no logical way to get around it. Period.
     
  18. GraceSaves

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    This is not what DHK did at all. He said that Carson is a liar, that it is not Father Stan, and that he knows it. That's not a question, that's a statement, and it is one that he provided no evidence for. Perhaps he should verify his statement. Otherwise, his words are empty.

    Could it be that Evangelicals respond to every Catholic remark that they don't like with a general denunciation of the Catholic Church, no matter how invalid or evidence-free their allegation is?

    Ya see, when you point fingers at people, there are three pointing back at yourself. How about both you AND DHK back up your unsupported statements.
     
  19. LaRae

    LaRae Guest

    What are you babbling about?


    LaRae
    </font>[/QUOTE]Why do you accuse DHK of "babbling" when all he did was question the identiy of a priest in a photograph?. Could this be the way American Catholics respond when one of there "brethren" are questioned about the statements they make.

    Every blessing

    Prionseas
    </font>[/QUOTE]Take the log outta your eye please.

    Go re read DHK's question. Now I fully expect you to chastize him for his attack upon his 'bretheren'. He didn't ask anything...he STATED something as fact.


    LaRae
     
  20. MikeS

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    I'd love to hear you explain why Carson would feel the need to lie about the identity of a priest in a photograph!

    Too wierd! :eek:
     
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