Mary Worshipers

As Spurgeon once said, "An ape was never such an ape as when he wore a papish cape." Nothing has changed in that regard. The pope lends approval in silence alone.

What I say is that many catholics ignore even the pope to-day, and local priest lack the power they once enjoyed over the people. Yes, some do worship Mary. By the way, she is not my mother. She was even rebuked one time by Jesus in favour of Martha, showing her absolute humanity.

She died. The only Mediator between man and God is named in scripture, and that is Jesus. He not only died, but rose again, and sits at the right hand of the Father.

As protestants and baptists, we perhaps do not show as much respect as we ought for Mary, the human mother of our Lord Jesus,but she can neither speak for me nor to me.

Cheers,

Jim

 

Wrong again. The church not only claims authority, it claims infallability. The chatecism it'self says Christ keeps it that way. I'm suprised you would post that, I assume you probably want to be taken seriously, here.

You are dodging my question. Should I rephrase it ?

 

Nope. You address my question first. I said the RCC fully endorses pagan idolatry, in it's worship of marian images. I gave examles, too, which you wrote off.

Does she, or doesn't she ? (In the instances I gave, should the pope at least put a stop to these festivals ?)

 

http://www.udayton.edu/mary/resources/shrines/zapopan.html

http://www.kalarte.com/mexicopix/sanjuan/sanjuan.html

http://www.mexico-insights.com/oct03/fromeditors/

http://www.vwvagabonds.com/MexZapopan.html

http://www.moon.com/planner/puerto_vallarta/mustsees/basilicaofthevirgin.html

http://www.thetimesharebeat.com/mexico/vallarta/guad.htm

The virgin is most certainly recognized by the Vatican. Perhaps you're the one who should join the forums. Come back after, I'll be here.

 

You are not going to answer the challenge, I see.

Nice talking with you.

 

They are not mediating in heaven for me as Jesus is. Jesus is our advocate in heaven, not Mary. There is no biblical support for the view that Mary intercedes for us in heaven.

 

But Mary is not our mother!! And it is a very different thing to go to our mothers while they are alive on earth, and try to go to them when they are in heaven (assuming they are there). We don't beg people who have died for comfort and protection, especially when Jesus is our advocate and we are to look to Him.

Talking to someone who is dead is contacting the dead. There is no biblical admonition to practice this at all; in fact, the Bible is against it.

When you have Jesus, the Savior, how can you go to a human being like Mary, who is dead, and undoubtedly cannot even hear you.

Your adoration of Mary indicates that Jesus for you is insufficient. This is making a goddess out of a human being. You do not even have biblical support for her hearing anyone on earth, much less that we should be speaking to her.

Recognizing Mary's role and the praise for her in the Bible is one thing; to elevate her beyond that to someone in heaven whom you can address is another.

I've had conversations with Roman Catholics about Mary and so far not a single one of them has been able to provide any biblical support for the adoration of and speaking to Mary.

 

#1. The RCC was not "newly minted in the last 10 years" so "yes" she is accountable for ALL her Popes and published authorities!!

#2. There has BEEN NO condemnation of the papal statements I posted.

#3. You are free to condemn them if you wish.

IF ALL non-Catholics SWORE that J Swaggart and all his successors were "infallible" then YES I would expect some "Accountability".

But your attempt to equivocate between the claims that Catholic Pope's have over ALL catholics -- vs the claims that J Swaggert has over ALL non-Catholics -- dies before you launched it.

The same goes for all bogus examples that do not "equate" to the level of POPE when it comes to the group ALL CATHOLICS!!

Surely you do have some kind of "actual" defense in this case.

IF you are claiming that we are supposed to think that Catholics IGNORE THEIR POPES, BISHOPS and CARDINALS -- then you are claiming complete ignorance about the behavior of Catholics in the dark ages.

IF you have proven that POPES are to be IGNORED --

Then you would have actual "data" to support your bogus claim about "dead horse".

But "having nothing" you simply "make the dead horse claim anyway".

Is that suppose to "mean something" to us???!!

So then having NO ANSWER at all to the post I gave - why do you expect it to "go away anyway"??

Correction.

A devastating quote to which you have no response - continually brought up as a reminder that "you have no response" is simply highlighting the flaws in your position.


Next.

 

Catholics of the 20th century publish the connection to paganism for the world to see and understand.

Pagan prayer methods.

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Oh let me guess ....

Yet another widely read - well published, well accepted RC source for us to "pretend" we did not notice!!

 

Who is our mother ?

Read the Bible!

Galatians 4:
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. 24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants;the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. 25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. 26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Please note the Freewoman above means Sara!


1 Peter 3:6

Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.


John 19:27

27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

Please note Jesus didn't say " Behold your(plural) mother!" but say " THY(singular) Mother! ( becase she was often moved by unbelieving sons as you can read in Mt 12:46-50). that was the order to John, not to all. Why didn't Peter server her ? Why didn't Paul mention her as our mother ?


Where did you get God crowned her as "Queen of Heaven " ?

Didn't God condemn calling Queen of Heaven as the goddess worship ?

Read Jeremiah 44

15 Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto other gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying, 16 As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the LORD, we will not hearken unto thee. 17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil. 18 But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine. 19 And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?
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25 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saying; Ye and your wives have both spoken with your mouths, and fulfilled with your hand, saying, We will surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her: ye will surely accomplish your vows, and surely perform your vows




Bible rejects your logic!