Matthew 25:31-46 Supports Amillenial View

Larry,

I do not have time to reply all, because soon I have to work tonight.

By the way,

Jer. 31:38-40 was written before Jerusalem was taken into capitvity under Babylon. Jeremiah the prophet predicted that Jerusalem will be rebuilt that was fulfilled in Ezra and Nehemiah time during in the Old Testament time. Ezra came with his people to Jeruslame, to rebuilt temple. Later, Nehemiah came with his people to rebuilt walls round around Jerusalem.

Therefore, Jer. 31:38-40 & Dan. 9:24-26 both were already fulfilled in the latter years of Old Testment period.

Also, Jer. 31:31 speaks of new covenant with house of Israel and house of Judah, was of course speaking to Jews. This was already fulfilled by Calvary that Christ made new covenant and their sins were forgiven by through his blood on the cross.

Tomorrow, I will discuss more with you.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

Larry,

I'm back.

Early Church never teaching two stages of future coming. It was not yet exist doctrine for many centuries. They believed one future coming, because they took apostles and Christ's teachings, and they sticky with it and God's Word with simple and plain teaching of second advent.

The two stages of second advent was developed in late 19th Century since John Darby invented pretribulationism doctrine, and invented of distiction Israel and Church.

During 18th Century, Churches in America, were not teaching on two stages of second advent. They believed in one future advent. There were many Baptists in America during 18th Century, were posttribs, I would say there were over 95% of Baptists in America believed in one future coming during 18th Century.

Pretribulationism doctrine was not yet introduction to America till mid of 19th Century, thanked to John Darby's visitations. Darby was aggressive try to spread his teaching of pretrib rapture to churches in America, and also in Canada. During that period, almost all churches were not teaching pretribulationism till Darby came to America. Then, more churches started to adopted Darby's new teaching on pretrib.

Then, in 1875, several pastors and evangelists were gathering together as private meeting discuss about plan to launch conference. Then three years later, Nigara Conference launched conference. Many pastors and evangelists were attend there. They adopted pretribulationism. After that, pretribulationism doctrine was born in America. But, it was still small numbered of churches believe in pretribs.

Till at turn of 20th Century, C.I. Scofield aggressived on dispensationalism and pretribulationism spreaded over churches and Christian colleges. Then.

in 1920, pretribulationism doctrine was added unto the Statement of Faith in Christian colleges. After that, Pretribulationism become populare during 1920's to today.

Larry, I ask you a simple question. Can you show me a clear verse in Pauline epistles say that rapture will be seven years occur earlier prior second coming?

I remembered, I saw chart of Clarence Larkin's in 'Dispensational Truth' book years ago. He drew a picture of two great hills, that OT prophets did actual saw, but OT prophets cannot see "Church" in the middle of two hills, because it is hide down in valley between two hills. Dispensationalists saying that 'Church' was "mystery" to the Ot prophets and saints. So, therefore, they have good reason that there is distinction of Israel and Church in God's program. Otherwise, as in your words that the OT prophets didn't see rapture in their visions. I understand your point that OT prophets didn't see two comings of Messiah as birth and his advent. Therefore, you argue with me that, you believe there are two stages of "second advent" is same common sense as OT prophets cannot see two comings either.

I do have a good point for you. Do the OT prophets actual see THREE future comings???- 1. Christ's birth 2. Rapture 3. Advent.

That is why, pretribulationism is flaw and lack of proofs from Scriptures.

Both Christ and Paul never actual say that saints' gathering together would be occur seven years earlier prior His "Coming" in the four gospels and Pauline epistles. Yet, both told us very clear that our gathering together will be AT "coming" same time, therefore, rapture will be occur AT second advent same time.

I did show you of OT verses which citied one future coming and one future judgment day. Yet you say, you do not actual see them. What's matter with your eyes. Do you need a bigger glasses?

Paul did taught that, there will be one future judgment day follow at Christ's coming same time in

Acts 17:31 "Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead."

This verse tells us clear that there will be one judgment day.

Also, in 2 Timothy 4:1 "I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead AT his APPEARING and his kingdom."

This verse tells us very clear, that Christ will judge both quick and dead follow AT his 'appearing' same time, not seven years apart between so called, "rapture" and second advent.

'Quick' represents saved people, 'dead' represents unsaved people. plain and simple.

This post is long. I better another post to continue discuss in the next post.

To be continue.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

Larry,

Notice Rev. 20:2,3,4,5,6, and 7 didn't say, "for one thousand years".

These saying, "for a thousand years" & "for the thousand years".

Word, 'thousand' of Rev. 20:2-7 in Greek #5507 means plural or uncertain. So, therefore, 'a thousand years' & 'the thousand years' in Greek telling us, the numbering of 'a thousand years' & 'the thousand years' either are not exactly or specific how many years of length period, and it could be last for several of thousands of years like, 2000 or 3000 years.

Rev. 20:2-7 of 'a thousand years' & 'the thousand years' is symbolic of temporary length period that the gospel era is currently spreading over the world since Christ gave the "keys"(power) to Church of Matt. 16:18-19. Church have been carry gospel over the world for almost 2000 years. That why it is as 'realized millennial' we are in right now.

I want to show you examples of 'thousand' with verses in Bible.

Psalms 50:10 "For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills."

Isn't God own 1001 hills?

Look next verse - Psa. 50:11 says, "I know ALL the fowls of the mountians, and the wild beasts of the field ARE MINE."

Psa. 50:10-11 show the point that God owns everything over the world, because He created them.

'A thousand hills' of Psa. 50:10 shows that God owns multitude of hills over the world, in other words, he owns all hills. There are several of thousands of hills over the wolrd, that we cannot be certian how many specific number of hills all over world. So, we know that there are MANY hills all over world, could be about over 10,000 hills. Only God knows how many hills over the world, because He owns them.

Also, in Ecclesiastes 6:6 says, "Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?"

Solomon didn't saying that a person did actual live up to a thousand years, in other word, neither Solomon says, a man did actual live up to one thousand years either. His point point was, our life is being worthless, our earthly things are worthless and vain. Everything all are temporary, all will be pass away or fade away.

Also, in Deut. 7:9 says, "Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepth covenant and mercy with that love him and keep his commandments toa thousand generations."

Is "a thousand generations", literal?

No. it is a figurative. This verse tells us, God always keep his promise with many generations, it means that, God never fail his promise with all his children from Abraham to the very last saint at Christ's coming. His promise of Genesis 17:5-7 is an everlasting covenant with many generations since from Abraham(not only Abraham, also, include from Adam to Noah) to the very last saint at Christ's coming. His promise which speak of salvation in Christ by calvary.

"a thousand generations" represent of mutlitude generations, anyone who have faith in Christ, His covenant never fail us for thousands of years since Abraham, His promise always with us throughout generations for about 4,000 years past already since God made covenant with Abraham tp present time.

See? That what the point of Deut. 7:9 talks about.

Now back to Revelation 20:2-7, do these are literal? No, use in our common sense, this is figurative meaning of symbol meaning. This passage tells us, Church have have been reigning with Christ both in heaven and earth since Christ had given the "keys"(power & His authority) to them to spread the gospel over the world after Satan was defeated at Calvary and Christ's resurrection for almost 2000 years now already. "A thousand years" & "the thousand years" represent of temporary length period, it could be last two or three thousand years.

Remind that Rev, 20:2-7 didn't saying, "ONE thousand years". Rev. 20:2-7 say, "a thousand years" & "the thousand years". If suppose, this passage in the Bible actual say, "one thousand years", then it easy mean literal specific numbered of length years of period.

That why, in KJV of Rev. 20:2-7 say, "for A thousand years" & "for THE thousand years", clearly it is plural fact in Greek #5507 says it.

Therefore, Rev. 20:1-7 pictured of the scene speaking of Christ's victory over Satan at Calvary and his resurrection, that He brought the "Keys"(power & authority) to Church, that they spreading the gospel over the world that satan cannot stop them for almost 2000 years now.

Understand clear?

In the next post, I will reply to you on 1 Thess 4 & 1 Thess 5 as what you said in your post recent.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

Larry,

Word, 'Rapture' does not appear in 1 Thess. 4:13-18.

The true definition word of 'rapture' in English means, highly feeling with emotions, or stronly transformed(change).

Word, 'rapture' never support the idea meaning of Church's gathering only. Also, 'rapture' have do nothing with 1 Thess. 4:13-18.

'Caught up' of 1 Thess. 4:17 speaks of supernatural power of taken.

Also, 1 Thess. 4:13-18 clearly telling us that our gathering & caught up will be AT his "coming" same time, neither this passage say our gathering & caught up will be occur seven years earlier prior his "coming". Therefore, pretribulationism's proof verse of 1 Thess. 4:13-18 is fallacy.

Also, 1 Thess 5 say nothing of "Rapture". Remember that Pauline epistles were written with No chapter and verse. These were like as letter. Chapters and verses were added unto God's Word about 300 or 400 years later after John wrote Revelation.

That why, pretribs easily argue with us by use chapters show that there are different time or topic.

Yet, both 1 Thessalonians chapter 4 and 5 are continue discuss in the same topic is all about second coming.

1 Thess 5 talks about be prepare and be ready for his coming. Because his coming would be like as "thief in the night", which speaking of catch people with unaware and unprepare will be end up face punishment judgment cast into everlasting fire at His coming.


If suppose we do not stay in the light and remain in dark by the time Christ arrives, we would be end up as "thief in the night" means that we would be caught as goat and cast us away into everlasting fire at His coming, IF we do not watch and ready at His coming. "Thief in the night" in common sense of when Christ shall come, all angels will come down in the air, to taken people up in the air as supernatural force without expecting, will cast them away into everlasting destruction as describe in Matt. 24:38-42; & Luke 17:34-37.

In the next post, I will continue discuss with another point of questions.

To be continued.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

Premills believe when, people who will miss rapture, and they will be saved during seven year of Tribulation Period. Whilst, some who will be saved and shall be survived throughout seven years of Tribulation period by the time Christ arrives. They will be remain in their mortal bodies, and will enter into Millennial kingdom, and will repopulate the world again by begat more children born in the Millennial kingdom.

I ask you question, where can you find a verse anywhere in the New Testament say that, a goat will be survive into millennial kingdom with mortal body beyond Christ's "coming"?

Matthew 25:31-46 telling us clear, when once Christ comes, all goats will be all settled up separated apart from sheep on left side. What will be happen to all goats beyond Christ's "coming"? All goats will be sudden cast away into "everlasting fire"/"everlasting punishment"- Matt. 24:41 & 46. Simple mean, when once Christ comes, there will be no chance or room for goats to be survive to enter the kingdom(Matt. 25:34), all goats will be end up caught by angels, cast them away into everlasting fire-lake of fire. That's it.

1 Cor. 15:50 tells us that, flesh and blood cannot into the kingdom, that means, their sins and corruptible cannot into holy and perfect eternality kingdom beyond Christ's "coming".

The point is, God is holy and perfect, have no sin. God refuses tough sin. And New Jerusalem is holy and perfect, which God dwells in it. It have no sin and corrupt. Also, God's heaven(third heaven) is a very holy place and perfect. God does NOT allow a single sin touch in God's holy place.

The reason is, when Christ comes again, God will create new earth, SO, He will send New Jersualem descend down from third heaven, put it on new earth. Because, new earth will be perfect and glory without corrupt. New earth & New Jerusalem both are picture of God's "kingdom". God's kingdom is an everlasting perfect and holy state.

God cannot allow a single person who still have FLESH and BLOOD(sins within them) to touch a piece part of new earth and New Jerusalem, because they are holy. Therefore, God must elimate or destroy all flesh and blood(sins & corrupt) away FIRST BEFORE God will create new earth and put New Jerusalem on new earth, so, therefore God will allow all Incourriptible people to dwell in them WITH God.

That means, all unsaved people will be all elimate away from God's kingdom by cast them all away into everlasting fire at Christ's coming.

1 Cor. 15:51-54 telling us when at Christ's coming, we as Christians all shall be change into incorruptible and immortality that mean, our body, soul both will be all change into glory new body be like Christ's at His coming. SO, all Christians will have perfect glory new body without corrupt and sin, God can allow them to inherit His kingdom on new earth and in New Jerusalem WITH God, because He is HOLY.

See? My point.

In 2 Thess. 1:7-10 telling us clear:

"And to you who are troubled rest with us, WHEN the Lord Jesus shall be REVEALED from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with EVERLASTING destructiopn from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power. WHEN HE SHALL COME to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe(because our testimony among you was believed) IN THAT DAY."

This passage telling us, when Christ shall come with his angels, all unbelievers will be cast away into everlasting punishment from the presence of the Lord and his angels(refers with Rev. 14:9-11). There will be no chance for unbelievers to be remain survive AFTER Christ's 'coming', all their bodies will be cast away into everlasting fire at once on the judgment day follow at Christ's 'coming' same time.

There is no promise for a unbeliever will have another second chance to be saved once when AFTER Christ comes. It will be too late for them who will be end up as "thief" at His coming away them away into everlasting fire.

Therefore, premillennialism doctrine is fallacy and have no proof in the Bible say that, any unbeliever will have another second chance to be saved when AFTER Christ comes at once, it will be done and too late for them.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!