Men acting like spoiled irresponsible children

Men Are Clams, Women Are Crowbars.

Men Are Like Waffles--Women Are Like Spaghetti.

Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus.

--The Cliche Meister

 

Gina, I believe that some discussions should be man to man and some woman to woman. Even here, we have a women's and men's forum. There are somethings we as men don't want to hear about and I'm sure it's the same thing for the women.

I work in an office with 14 women and 1 other man. My first day on the job was an eye opener. Cheryl had already given birth to our first. It was a learning experience. My first day I overheard several ladies talking about body parts swelling and such. One of the ladies looked over and said, "uh-oh." They were embarassed. There were several more conversations that came up that were abrutly halted because they realized a man was listening.

After 6 years, they see me as one of them, and I hear all kinds of stuff you would never hear the men talk about.

 

Gib, those are things most of us aren't going to talk about with men anyway. But see there, just as Gina said, you believe thats what we have to talk about. A lot of times in a biblical topic I have been ignored and have seen other women ignored. Many times the men here don't think the women have anything to contribute in a conversation that is not about having babies and cooking. We aren't dumb, and we do know the bible too, and just like men what we don't know we seek to learn by asking questions. Several times I haev asked questions and the men's answers made me feel like the little girl who wandered into the room of adults.
I am a woman and I am capable of deep thought. No where does scripture say other wise. God reveals Himself to men and women,and He reveals His word to men and women.

 

Gina I can here you ROAR in themidwest. And I do agree with you. Thre are so many men who think the Bible is an excuse to keep a woman bare foot and pregnat. Most don't but it's always those few who ruin it for the rest.

Sorry Guys you can be harsh.But so can women


God Bless

 

I think this thread is probably directed at me. Too bad she chose not to PM or e-mail me with her grievance. I gave you every opportunity to clear the air and make your position on abortion clear, and you chose not to, but rather, take all your toys and go home pouting all the way. What a shame.

Joseph Botwinick

[ September 21, 2003, 02:00 PM: Message edited by: Joseph_Botwinick ]

 

Well.. I disagree. I believe that in many cases we women must be spoken to differently because we are so emotional about things that we speak, hear and perceive things differently than men.

Men tend to not be good listeners and don't want to hear our stories that drone on and on with minute details. Some women also tend to be VERY melodramatic and when they get down to the end of their diatribe, the whole conversation really wasn't necessary to the man. Women will quickly stomp their 'proverbial' foot when someone disagrees and will pull out the 'gender' card when someone shows her to be wrong or unlearned.

A man cannot talk to most women the same way he'd talk to another man and a woman cannot talk to a man the same way she's talk to a woman.

Men are like Joe Friday... "The facts m'am, Just the facts."

Diane

 

Diane you have a wonderful point

Men are physical
women are emotional.

Sometimes I wonder why that is then it hits me.

A woman having a life or the possiblity of a life growing inside of her (not to mention the estrogen) will be attuned with the feeling

Men are all brawn (and testasorone *i know i spelled that wrong sorry*) They feel the most what they can see and touch.

 

I'm not seeing how this makes a difference to the way some men treat women in a biblical discussion, as if they know nothing simply becasue they are women.

 

If the author of this thread is referring to me, she was not treated any differently because she was a woman. This is a figment of her imagination. If not, I don't know what in the world she is talking about. Perhaps she could clarify?

Joseph Botwinick

 

This is a posting board. If you are looking for a responce from a particular person you should to address them personally in your post AND politely notify them (by PM) so you know they read the message.

Many times I may read into a message more than what is really there. It's better if I sit and mull over things for a time. Reading posts over the next day sometimes clarifies things.

Better yet, holding my return message over for a day often makes my angry or quick emotional response un-necessary. Somebody else responds with better words than I could respond with or the response I initially felt has mellowed.

Rob

 

I think that Donna made the best points in this discussion so far.

 

No, that's not really what I think. I was sharing something that happened to me. I carry on biblical discussions with many women. We talk about discipleship, worship, salvation, ect. I've never jumped and hollered either way and I don't try to lord-it-over anyone.

I was just stating there are some things better left alone in mixed company, that's all. On the other hand, we men don't talk about the changes in our bodies when pregnant because we're not the ones getting pregnant.

 

I agree.

When I worked for the most successful company in its field in the US we were trained to recognize that men and women communicate very differently. As managers we were taught how to communicate with them in different ways. Even the secular world knows this.

Men and women are very different. It is part of God's plan. It is God's divine plan that we as people benefit from the strengths of each. It is through the parents that a child understands God's love, mercy and justice. Two parents who are different do this best.

I rejoice when my wife communicates things that I am not very good at. She helps me personally and communicates that to others as well.

A man would be a fool not to learn from his wife and realize that God brought her into his life for a reason. Years ago before I met my wife I asked God for someone who would help me to become the person I should be by her example and not someone who could just tell me. She is exactly what I need. As i have gotten older I find myself thanking God for his grace by giving her to me. I am better becasuse of her. It didn't take me too long to realize that she has what I need.

I think most of us know how we should be. But we need examples of people who are living that out.

Prov. 1:8,9, “Hear, my son, your father's instruction And do not forsake your mother's teaching; Indeed, they are a graceful wreath to your head “

Prov. 6:20-22, “My son, observe the commandment of your father And do not forsake the teaching of your mother; Bind them continually on your heart; Tie them around your neck. When you walk about, they will guide you; When you sleep, they will watch over you; And when you awake, they will talk to you.”

1 Thess. 2:7, “But we proved to be gentle among you, as a nursing mother tenderly cares for her own children.”

2 Tim. 1:5, “For I am mindful of the sincere faith within you, which first dwelt in your grandmother Lois and your mother Eunice, and I am sure that it is in you as well.”

 

These verses speak of a married people, but perhaps it has a broader application:

1Peter 3:7
Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

1Peter 3:3
Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; 4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

 

in other words ladies keep your eyes and ears open and your mouth shut. listen learn and please be silent. and please do not be like hillary.

(just kidding)

 

Yes, Doctor.

Diane

 

I think that men in general are selfish and spoiled, but us women make them that way(either as a mother or a wife)!

I do know of one situation, where one particular male on this board accused me of not being saved because of one of my posts and when I responded the male moderator severly warned me. However the other male moderator was very helpful and did what he could to rectify the matter.

I think for the most part, we all just post without respectors of persons.

 

I have not said this.

but when the opportunity arises for a man to help a woman out, he either treats her like a child or yells at her,[/QUOTE]

I have not done this.

and the people who say men and women are equal appear to have a very hard time understanding that while that may be so there is still a difference in the way men should speak to women. That bothers me. I don't want to be spoken to like I'm ignorant, nor do I wish to be mentally kicked in the gut during a conversation so you can make your point.
Clear enough?
Gina [/QUOTE]

I think you are just upset that I challenged you on the abortion issue and didn't back down from the truth. I was, BTW, very careful to attack your philosophy and not you. That is what this board is here for is to discuss different sides of the issue.

Joseph Botwinick