Mistakes in the A.V. 1611 are Advanced Revelation

Exactly! That is my point. Michelle understands what I answered to Natters.

 

Agree!

 

Correct!

 

Michelle said:

Tell you what: YOU describe what would convince you of a word change, an error, etc. That way, when we show it to you, you will be without excuse and have to accept the truth.

The problem of many here, is that they focus on irrelevant issues of the past rather than today. (Riplinger-ish blah blah blah omitted)

I guess Michelle would rather make excuses than commit her false theories to any sort of objective criteria.

 

Michelle: "... The church has believed, lived and used
the KJB for generations (400 years), ... "

This incorrect statement invalidates your whole arguement.
The KJB you use did not exist until 1769.
Sorry, but arithemetic says 2004-1769 = 235 years.
Your KJB has only existed 235 years NOT FOUR HUNDRED.

 

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I guess Michelle would rather make excuses than commit her false theories to any sort of objective criteria.
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I do not share a theory, nor do I make excuses. You all are the ones doing this. I come here sharing the truth, to which is based upon FAITH and the truth in the SCRIPTURES and evidenced in the HISTORY of the believing churches for generations. Unlike many of you here, whose theories, and excuses are based upon DOUBT and irrelevant objective criteria.


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Yes, it would be a lot easier to simply tell the truth in plain English, but those B.B. rules won't permit it.

 

I see you chose not to answer my questions with any substance, but merely to continue your blatant attack on the Word of God.

I think we are done here

 

This is easy to say, in fact a 10 year old could make a similar statement about the existance of Santa Claus. Before you say that this is not Santa Claus but the Word of God then stop treating the subject like your opinion concerning your favorite baseball team and put some substance behind your words or you will continue to be mocked.

OK, give us some examples of this "HISTORY of the believing churches for generations" what churches before 1611 had for generations the infallible innerrant Pure words of God for these "generations"? The only one that I can think of is the Church of Rome whose spokesmen claimed that the Latin Vulgate (for over 1000 years) was written in the "language of heaven" and superior to the Greek and Hebrew texts.

Again, to simply make these cut and paste statements without any historical verification is about the same (in the Santa venue) as saying I believe in Santa because I saw him kissing mommy last night.

Faith is one thing, but to make a claim based on what appears to be hear-say history or pious "urban-legend" is another thing all together.

HankD

 

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This is easy to say, in fact a 10 year old could make a similar statement about the existance of Santa Claus. Before you say that this is not Santa Claus but the Word of God then stop treating the subject like your opinion concerning your favorite baseball team and put some substance behind your words or you will continue to be mocked.
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True FAITH is always mocked, and always has been, and always will be: 2 Chron.36:15-16, Job 12:1-5,

1 Cor. 1

19. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21. For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22. For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23. But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24. But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26. For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27. But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28. And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29. That no flesh should glory in his presence.
30. But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31. That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord


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OK, give us some examples of this "HISTORY of the believing churches for generations" what churches before 1611
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Again, you try to focus attention of the past to which is irrelevent for us today. The HISTORY of the believing churches from the time of 1611 to THIS PRESENT day have used, known and understood God's word to be the KJB. Not any other. This is 400 years of church HISTORY that have acknowledged and believed the infallible word of God to be the KJB. What was used prior to this, is irrelevant to us today regarding this issue. I am through discussing those irrelevant issues, as they avoid the real issue of this present day.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

What does this prove? So was false faith.

1 Kings 18:27 And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them…

Wait a minute michelle, you are the one that said “evidenced in the HISTORY of the believing churches for generations.” Shouting (or accentuating) the word HISTORY. So therefore according to your own words your own statement is “irrelevant”

We have already proved this statement to be false. Both King Henry the Eighth and James the First along with members of the KJV High council persecuted, killed and heaped atrocities upon Anabaptists, Dissenters (our spiritual Baptist forefathers) and Puritan believers because of their stand against the “ecclesiology” of the KJV (amongst other Church of England heresies).

see above.

So the history of the Church of Jesus Christ up to 1611 is an irrelevant issue, which BTW includes the original giving of the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the inhabited earth.
OK, so be it.

I would beg off discussing these “irrelevant issues” as well but not because they are truly “irrelevant” but to avoid being shown up for digging a hole so deep that one could no longer get out of.

HankD

 

michelle said "True FAITH is always mocked"

How do we know we should have your kind of faith in the KJV? We have faith in Christ because the Bible tells us to. We have faith in his blood because the Bible tells us to. Where are we told to have faith in KJV-onlyism?

michelle said "This is 400 years of church HISTORY that have acknowledged and believed the infallible word of God to be the KJB."

No, you are confused. The church may have used the KJV most often and accepted it as the word of God, but it was never believed that it was infallible in the way that you do.

 

This statement would be more accurately rendered

400 years of church HISTORY that have acknowleged and believed the KJV to be the infallible word of God.

Still no straight answers michelle, you have bypassed every question and reply and simply continue your heretical attack on the Holy Scriptures. God is going to get out his eraser!

 

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We have already proved this statement to be false. Both King Henry the Eighth and James the First along with members of the KJV High council persecuted, killed and heaped atrocities upon Anabaptists, Dissenters (our spiritual Baptist forefathers) and Puritan believers because of their stand against the “ecclesiology” of the KJV (amongst other Church of England heresies).
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The Geneva Bible hasn't been used in the majority of believing christian churches. It has been the KJB. I believe the Geneva Bible to also be the word of God, but it withered away, as the KJB was the Bible believers knew to be the word of God for generations, and continue to this very day. It has nothing to do with a popularity contest either. It has to do with the Holy Spirit of God speaking through and using this Bible within believing churches, not only in England, but here in the United States of America.

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Michelle said "I believe the Geneva Bible to also be the word of God"

Really? I doubt that very very much. I also doubt you have read much of the Geneva. I have a few copies in my collection, and guess what - it uses different words from the KJV.

If the Geneva is/was the word of God, why did they make a new Bible? Why didn't they just have faith that God preserved his word in the Geneva, strip its marginal notes, and sing the Hallelujah Chorus? If the Geneva is/was the word of God, why was it corrected and replaced? Does God's word need correction? Does the final authority become unfinal?

More double standards, more confusion, more contradiction. Enough!

 

History? You forgot the first 16 centuries. And "history" (or is it really tradition?) See 2 Kings 18:4 again, "If it was good enough for Moses, it's good enough for me."

 

Michelle: "True FAITH is always mocked ... "

Amen, Sister Michelle -- Preach it!

Thank you for refreshing my bowels in
the Lord today! May God be liberal
today with blessing toward you,
your family, and your ministy. Amen.

HOWEVER, the following statement is a
lie straight from page 1 of the devil's
notebook.

That which is mocked is always True Faith.

The preceeding statement is False.

\O/ Praise Iesus, Sonne of God \O/

 

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If the Geneva is/was the word of God, why did they make a new Bible? Why didn't they just have faith that God preserved his word in the Geneva, strip its marginal notes, and sing the Hallelujah Chorus? If the Geneva is/was the word of God, why was it corrected and replaced? Does God's word need correction? Does the final authority become unfinal?
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Read the translators preface and editors notes to the 1611 and you will find out why.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Michelle said "Read the translators preface and editors notes to the 1611 and you will find out why."

As I've told you previously, I've read the preface. Several times. It doesn't explain away your contradiction.