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Mitt Romney

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  1. Ps104_33

    Ps104_33 New Member

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    Mitt Romney gov of Massachusettes seems to be the most conservative of the possible 2008 candidates. But he is a Mormon. As a Baptist, would you have a problem having a Mormon as President of the United states? Would you vote for him?
     
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  2. dh1948

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    I would have no more problem voting for him than I would any other pagan. The greater question is should Christians vote for anyone who is not an evangelical Christian? Hmmmm
     
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  3. DeeJay

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    He better not be the most conservative. He is liberal on the order of McCain and Rudy.
     
    #3 DeeJay, Nov 18, 2006
  4. DeeJay

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    Mitt thinks he is the White Horse.

    See Smiths White horse prophacy

    http://www.opinionjournal.com/taste/?id=110009193

    You should know that Mormon polititions report to the LDS church and do what they are told to. It is not uncommon for out AG to publicly meet with the Prez/prophet of the church before trying a big case or making a big decition.

    Do you really want a POTUS that believes there is a living prophit on earth that speaks directly to god. Do you want a POTUS that consults this prophet.

    You dont think he will? If you were POTUS and you believed that there was a living prophet on earth would you not consult him with important decitions. I would. A vote for Mitt is a vote to let the LDS church make US policy.

    I would rather have Hillary.
     
    #4 DeeJay, Nov 18, 2006
  5. saturneptune

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    No, I wouldnt vote for him. It has nothing to do with being a Baptist or him being a Mormon. It has to do with him being liberal. See how Bush appealed to Christians for votes. See what we got. A politician is a politician.
     
    #5 saturneptune, Nov 18, 2006
  6. KenH

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    I am a Christian. My interest is in voting in such a way as to bring about limited, constitutional government. If voting for someone will help bring this about then I will vote for him/her regardless of his/her religious affiliation or lack thereof.
     
    #6 KenH, Nov 18, 2006
  7. Ps104_33

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    Health Care:
    On April 12, 2006, Governor Romney signed legislation to provide health insurance to virtually all citizens of Massachusetts without raising taxes.[2] Working with conservative groups such as the Heritage Foundation and Democrats in the Massachusetts legislature, Romney developed a plan that stresses personal responsibility in paying for coverage and provides funding for low-income residents. Starting in July 2007, health insurance will be mandatory for all state residents, provided a plan is available to the individual that is deemed affordable according to state standards. Lower income individuals will be eligible for subsidies to purchase health insurance.

    Same sex marriage:
    Romney has strongly opposed same-sex marriage and civil unions. He has continually stressed the need to protect the institution of marriage while denouncing discrimination against gays and lesbians. "Like me, the great majority of Americans wish both to preserve the traditional definition of marriage and to oppose bias and intolerance directed towards gays and lesbians," said Romney in a 2004 interview.[

    Death Penalty:
    In December 2004, Romney announced plans to file a death penalty bill in early 2005.
    The bill, filed April 28, 2005, sought to reinstate the death penalty in cases that include terrorism, the assassination of law enforcement officials and multiple killings. Romney's legislation required the presence of scientific evidence such as DNA to sentence someone to death and a tougher standard of "no doubt" of guilt for juries to sentence defendants. This differs from the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard used in traditional criminal cases. The legislation called for a pool of certified capital case lawyers to ensure proper representation for the accused and allowed jurors who do not personally support the death penalty to serve in the guilt phase of the trial. [46]



    Abortion:

    Romney has identified himself as a pro-life politician. He does not support abortion except in cases of rape, incest, and when the life of the mother is threatened.[54] The Governor has been a vocal opponent of the Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade, criticizing the "one size fits all" statute created by the ruling.[55] Romney has indicated that if he were governor of South Dakota he would sign a bill recently passed in the state that would outlaw abortion. He also stated that he would make sure the legislation would include exceptions for cases of rape, incest and when the life of the mother is at risk (the South Dakota bill only included an omission for life of the mother).[56] According to Romney's spokesperson, "If Gov. Romney were the Governor of South Dakota he would sign it. The Governor believes that states should have the right to be pro-life if that is the will of the people."[57]

    Stem Cell:
    Although Romney has stated that he supports the use of surplus embryos from fertility clinics for stem-cell research, he vetoed a Massachusetts bill to fund stem-cell research because the legislation allowed the cloning of human embryos. "I am not in favor of creating new human embryos through cloning," said Romney, calling the practice "a matter of profound moral and ethical consequence." Romney also opposed the legislation because of its assertion that life does not begin until an embryo is implanted in a uterus. "It is very conceivable that scientific advances will allow an embryo to be grown for a substantial period of time outside the uterus," Romney said in an interview with the Boston Globe. "To say that it is not life at one month or two months or four months or full term, just because it had never been in a uterus, would be absurd." [69][70] The state legislature overrode Romney's veto, with many legislators feeling that stem-cell research will be important in the future to the state's biotech industry.[71].

    All cited from wikipedia



    And he is much better looking than Hillary

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    #7 Ps104_33, Nov 19, 2006
  8. DeeJay

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    Funny how Mitt was pro-choice, right until he thought about becoming a prez canadate in 2008. Then he sudenly became pro-life overnight.

    At least with Hillary I know what I am getting.
     
    #8 DeeJay, Nov 19, 2006
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    I don't vote based on whether or not they are Christian or not...or even if they are evangelical or not. These issues have very little to do with the office of President. Otherwise, I would never have voted for President Bush who is a universalist heretic.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
    #9 Joseph_Botwinick, Nov 19, 2006
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    I don't care if someone is a Christian or not in voting for them. The easiest lie any politician can pull is to say they are religious and never have any fruit. I don't vote party line either...there are just as many ridiculous repubs as dems...I like third party people too.
     
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  11. Ps104_33

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    Some of us may remember when JFK ran for president. The big concern then was, as a Roman Catholic, would or should his allegiance be to the Vatican first. Would Romney's allegiance be to the Mormon Church? If a true believer in Christ is elected President, then his allegiance would be to Jesus Christ and the result would be that this country would be run by a leader whose decisions would be determined by what the Bible says not what a religious organization says.
    Maybe Romney, like JFK and the rest of the Kennedy Klan, isnt totally committed to his beliefs.
     
    #11 Ps104_33, Nov 19, 2006
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    ==Amen! Besides the United States Constitution forbids religious tests

    "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." -Article VI

    We are not electing a Theologian and Chief, we are electing a head of the secular government (Commander an Chief). Their personal religious views should have nothing to do with our vote. We should vote for a person based on our agreement with their positions (which will be affected by their faith).

    As for Mitt Romney, I am not sure yet. Personally I am leaning towards not voting in '08 however I am always up to having a change of mind. However you can rest assured that if the Republicans run McCain (or Giuliani) and the Democrats run Hillary, I will either not vote or I will vote third party. Mitt Romney looks good "however" his healthcare plan bothers me (it smells of big government). He has also done a 180 on abortion. He claims he has had a change of mind, that is possible and I can certainly respect that. However I will need to see that his change of mind is a true change and not just political maneuvering. I am also concerned about his views on Iraq. I have not looked at his position on this (yet) but if he supports Bush's nation building in Iraq then that is a serious problem. We might be out of Iraq by '08 but nation building is a serious problem.

    His being a Mormon does not factor into my thinking on Romney the candidate for US President. If he wanted to be my pastor, well that would be different. I do believe in the seperation of church and state. While the idea has been taken to terrible extremes by the ACLU (etc) it is not, at its heart, a bad idea.
     
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    Even satan can appear as an angel of light. Romney is the perfect candidate to "fake out" large numbers of pro-life, anti-homosexual voters. Ernest Istook, a Mormon, left Congress to run for Governor in Oklahoma, convinced, IMHO, that Romney would be elected, based upon Joseph Smith's prophecy. All but one Mormon in Congress voted against amending the Constitution to say that marriage is between one man and one woman. Even though I agree with Romney on the issues posted by ps104_33, except for single payer health insurance, I won't vote for him because he believes the appalling doctrine of the Mormon church and its utterly discredited founder, Joseph Smith.
     
    #13 dispen4ever, Nov 22, 2006
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    The more I read about Romney the more I like him. I might decide to support his effort to win the GOP 2008 presidential nomination if he runs.
     
    #14 KenH, Nov 22, 2006
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    No. I could not step to a voting machine and vote for a Mormon, no matter where he is on the issues.
     
    #15 Watchman, Nov 22, 2006
  16. KenH

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    Some information about Mitt Romney from a grassroots website:

    www.americansformitt.com

    If conservatives are going to stop the liberal Guiliani or McCain from getting the GOP 2008 presidential nomination, then their wisest choice may be to coalesce around Romney early and not split up the conservative primary/caucus vote among several conservative candidates.

    Also, after JFK won in 1960 every presidential election winner has been either a governor or a vice president - no one straight from the Senate or the House has won the presidency.
     
    #16 KenH, Nov 22, 2006
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    Geek alert: I do like Mitt Romney's support for open document format standards for electronic information interchange in government.
     
    #17 AresMan, Nov 22, 2006
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    I don't like anyone who has hinted at throwing their his/her hat in the ring at this time. Pols will say anything to be elected. Like saturn said, a politician is a politician.

    Now as to the mormonism -- the only concern I have is that it would help to further mormonism as a Christian religion. Romney has been quoted as saying that Jesus Christ is his Lord and Savior. Well, that's not what the mormon church teaches and so many are just too lazy to determine the truth on their own.

    If I might be so bold, I'd really like to see us keep political discussions on the issues and not on how people look. There really isn't much any of us can do about how we look or the photos that have been taken of us. I daresay that most of us have a few unflattering photos stashed somewhere and are grateful that the press didn't take them and plaster them in the paper or on the internet.
     
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    After reading Mitt's stance on the issues in Ken's link, I have to say that I think he is, like Tancredo and Holt, a great neo-con leader and someone I could heartily support.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
    #20 Joseph_Botwinick, Nov 23, 2006
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