MMF - Angry with some new CCM

I think some of the re-makes of Christmas songs do get a little out-of-hand,but I do enjoy some of them. As with anything I suppose, moderation is the key...and as Dr. Bob said, everyone has different personal preferences. Some of the arrangements are fresh and interesting, and make a good song even better, in my opinion.

It does interest me that some of you who are griping about CCM Christmas re-makes are gung-ho for Mannheim Steamroller. Now, I happen to love Mannheim Steamroller, but how come it's OK for them to radically change a Christmas song but it's sacrilege for a CCM artist to do so?

Also, those of you who think it's awful for someone to take a soft song and make it upbeat, would undoubtedly despise the Trans-Siberian Orchestra, whose Christmas music I think is fresh,original and exciting.

To Dr. Bob: My suggestion about the Point of Grace CD stands. Rather than considering 13 dollars "down the commode," join in the giving spirit of the season and give it to someone who would really, truly enjoy it. Then the money would indeed NOT be wasted.


Elizabeth

 

Dr. Bob Griffin said:

C'mon, Ransom. Enjoy you poking at the "CCM" v "tradition", but allow for differences in taste.

I am allowing for differences in taste. But saying one is "angry with some new CCM" or "it makes me sick" connotes more than mere dislike. It connotes outrage at a perceived injustice, saying implicitly that artists ought not to tamper with traditional arrangements.

I hate the Star Spangled Banner all mucked up by singers before a ball game. None of them have learned to mutilate O Canada yet. . . .

Wanna bet? When a silly American mucks up O Canada at a sporting event, especially if it's done in dramatically bad fashion, it often makes the front pages up here.

[ December 04, 2001: Message edited by: Ransom ]

 

Adam, for the most part I agree with you. I feel some CCMers believe those initials stand for "Cease Christian Message."

The christians who sing this new music should come out from among them and be separate as the scripture instructs, as we all should.

Spam

 

Nothing serious to add here, but um, your name is SPAM?

 

Yes and no. Spam is a name I used when I signed on to the board here because Saint Someone was already taken. Yeah right!

Seriously though, Paul is the name. It's just Spam is an old football nickname I was given. Too long of a story to get into.

P.S. Congratulations on the Florida win by the way.

Spam {Paul}

 

Saint Someone, the Tennessee win I meant over Florida. I love to see Spurrier cry.

Spam

 

flyfree432 said:

For instance, I could tell you that my preference was to listen to Tool, Limp Bizkit, and Marilyn Manson. . . .

You have every reason to tell me I should not be listening to that type of music. We know that it is evil, sexual, violent, etc etc etc.

OK, so we have established that the relevant difference between Marilyn Manson etc. and the music you consider godly is that the former is sexual and violent.

But then you try and argue:

So what reason do I have to be angry with some of this Christmas music being put out there? Well, I don't think any of the artists had evil intents. But I think some of this new music goes to far beyond what should be allowable for Christian music.

Why? Is someone taking "Silent Night" or the "Hallelujah Chorus" and replacing the lyrics with violent, sexual, or otherwise evil content? That was, after all, the criterion by which you rejected Marilyn Manson. I wouldn't like to think that you've pulled a switcheroo between genuinely sinful music and your own personal tastes.

Many of the artists literally slaughter the songs.

Literally, eh? With a gun, or just a lead pipe to the head?

(Sorry, I just can't stand it when people misuse the word "literally" for emphasis, when clearly they mean "figuratively." Stamp out language abuse!)

I love upbeat music, but its just terrible.

So now we've gone from a truth claim about morality (sexual and violent content) to a preference claim (terrible content).

Every artist out there wants to have their own rendition of Silent Night, or O Come Emmanual, and it begins to become who can make the most entertaining piece

And now a truth claim (sexual or violent) to another preference claim (entertaining).

Do you see why some of us get so indignant about the way you put things? You start off with a claim about the morality of music, and somewhere along the line you try and sneak in your personal tastes as though they are equally objective, and therefore equally binding on everyone. What gets lost in your line of reasoning is any good reason why someone ought not to spruce up a good Christmas piece and make it entertaining, except that you don't like it.

[ December 04, 2001: Message edited by: Ransom ]

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SPAM:
Saint Someone, the Tennessee win I meant over Florida. I love to see Spurrier cry.

Spam<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I'm originally from KY so I'm not a big Vols fan. Come to think of it, I'm not a big football fan. But thanks anyway!

BTW, nice meeting you Paul. &lt;Ahem&gt; But spam?!