Featured Modernism

Yeah, and everyone else is going to hell in a hand basket except for good old salzer the pharisee who likes to rail about his extra biblical pet peeves than actually proclaiming the good news of the gospel message.

 

good news is that jesus kept the Law of God perfectly for our behalf, NOT that God expects sinless perfection before we can merit salvation!

 

You are dern right, I WANT to draw people. Draw people to be exposed to worship and the message of the Gospel. The message that there is hope for their redemption. I am not shamed in that and will remain so.

 

Ah ha, ah ha ha ha....now thats funny right there. admit it :laugh:

 

Youse guys need to go to an old school Baptist Church if ya dont like the new school format....thats what I would do.:thumbsup:

 

Do you make your women keep silent in the church? No? Then you are not obeying the word of God.

 

The fact that there are conservative denominations that ordain women is what refutes you. I know you don't like that truth, but it remains the truth nevertheless.

 

I assume you know the difference between aids to worship and additions to worship ?

electricity instead of oil-burning lamp, running water instead of pumped out water, a heating system instead of wood burning stoves, modern toilets instead of squat-down latrines and outhouses, ceiling, standing and table fans or an air-conditioning system instead of hand fans, pews and chairs instead of standing for hours like the OT worshippers ? these are 'aids' to worship and there is nothing in the New Testament that prohibits them nor encourages them, so I guess that will be up to a church if they'd rather go totally old-time like some factions of the Amish people do in their worship and life styles, right ?

now, additions to worship like church choirs, church special numbers, bands, drums, percussions, stringed or wind instruments, and such like that tend to distract from worship and place the admiration on the talents of their players and singers and then hypocritically attributing praise to God, "special officers" in addition to what is New Testament prescribed, pastor and deacon, program of worship, none of which were practiced by any of the first century new testament churches in the Bible, that is modernism to include additiions to worship.

 

That is a false claim and a bunch of garbage.

 

Ditto. I wasn't able to find it to link here, but I recently read an article on this issue that made some excellent points regarding the meaning of those scripture passages.

 

I think having modern equipment, music, etc in church is okay--I don't see why churches need to be stuck in the past in order to be "separate from the world". That's possibly missing the whole point, IMO. And if they put so much emphasis on accepting the lifestyle of decades ago, isn't it still the lifestyle of the world, albeit one not in use anymore?
I just see being separate from the world as more of a belief and life choices issue--being separate from the world is not living in and being in bondage to sin. Being separate from the world is living in such a way that others see Christ in you. Being separate from the world is not following or accepting the lies of the world. Being separate from the world is ministering to the lost and those who need help and support. Etc, etc, etc.

The world should see a difference in us from other people--but that difference should not be rejecting modern life in general just because we can. Things like not saying "cool" because it's worldly slang (and, yes, I know someone who believed that) is not being separate in any way that counts--it's legalism that gives you the false impression of living a good Christian life without actually doing the hard stuff like loving your enemies and really ministering to the poor and needy or going out and sharing the gospel with a lost world.

But maybe I'm more accepting of living modernly because I'm in my early (very early) twenties.

Anywho--
You'll find a lot of churches that have these things and are obviously living in the 21st century and are still creationists, take a literal view of the Bible, teach sound Biblical doctrine, etc.


The church I used to attend constantly criticized other churches in the area in their sermons for things like having fundraisers, using a projector instead of a hymnal (I never understood why that was something to criticize), having children's church, etc, etc, etc. It just rubbed me the wrong way and smacked of petty legalism. And are we really supposed to be talking about our brothers and sisters in Christ like that, speaking of them as unbelievers--over something so petty???
I understood the scriptural reasons my old church had for not having fundraisers and I certainly understand the thinking behind children listening to the same sermon the adults do--but I just can't see it as inherently wrong to have children's church.
And I'm not sure what to think of fundraisers, especially on church property--but sheesh, the church I attend now had one just last night and I even participated by baking for it. Even if they're wrong on that one point, that's not something that would make me stop attending.

Now clapping--personally I clap because I have a hard time speaking out in a crowd. Clapping's just a much easier and less socially awkward way of showing my agreement.


But overall--hey, there's plenty to choose from in churches, so you can choose whatever best fits your belief system. That's the beauty of freedom of religion.