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More reasons Why The penal Substitution Atonement Model is best One!

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Yeshua1, Nov 10, 2017.

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  1. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
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    God is Holy, His Law is Holy, and any who break His law have a sin debt obligation now owed and due to God!
     
    #61 Yeshua1, Nov 11, 2017
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    So you discount John 10:11? May I ask why? Do you think perhaps that the giving of our Lord's life is something of a lesser order than the shedding of His blood?
    "Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and the scribes; and they will condemn Him to death and deliver Him to the Gentiles; and they will mock Him, and scourge Him, and spit on Him and kill Him. And on the third day He will rise" (Mark 10:33-34).

    Why do you think that the Lord Jesus had to go through such a terrible ordeal? If all He had to do was shed His blood, He need not even have died; He could have come down to earth for a day, given a pint of blood for the world and gone back to heaven!

    But the life is in the blood (Leviticus 17:11). The many references to the Lord Jesus shedding His blood are a synechdoche; the part stands for the whole. The blood stands for the whole of His atonement: His living the life that we could not live-- the life of absolute righteousness and obedience to the will of the Father-- and taking the punishment that we deserve to suffer-- the punishment of pain and separation from God.
     
    #62 Martin Marprelate, Nov 11, 2017
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    Are you saying the New Covenant is a righteousness through the Law??
     
    #63 JonC, Nov 11, 2017
  4. Yeshua1

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    Yes, as it is both, Jesus perfect obeyed the father by keeping the law, and also that He was paying for the sin debt of lost sinners!
     
    #64 Yeshua1, Nov 14, 2017
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    No, but that the Lord jesus took upon Himself the full wrath of God that we had earned up and accumulated, so by Him being found sinless and the sin debt payer, God credits us as now redeemed!
     
    #65 Yeshua1, Nov 14, 2017
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    Scripture does say Jesus took up Himself our sin. At least that part of your theory comes from the Bible.
     
    #66 JonC, Nov 14, 2017
  7. Yeshua1

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    So is the rest of it!
     
    #67 Yeshua1, Nov 14, 2017
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    No, that has already been disproven (You were unable to provide Scripture to prove your theories).

    Back to this potential forgiveness....if you don't ask for forgiveness will you have to repay Jesus for those sins?
     
    #68 JonC, Nov 14, 2017
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    You are confusing being in a relationship state and with my fellowship state with Him!
     
    #69 Yeshua1, Nov 14, 2017
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    It's already been stated that part of what Jesus experienced on the Cross was a break in FELLOWSHIP with the Father and this on our behalf. Why do you think Jesus' sacrifice insufficient in such a way you have to repeat it?
     
    #70 JonC, Nov 14, 2017
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