Mormon and Jehovah's witness

>I am also weirded out by the "She" part.

My reading of Proverbs and other passages lead me to believe that the Holy Spirit is the fem aspect of God. It is also Jewish interpretation of their scriptures - which Christianity hi-jacked. We should be pleased that the male voice holds the majority of the quorum in the Trinity. I also like to pull chains from a distance.


> So go a little further, I do agree with you, but why wouldnt the Holy Spirit work through the Simple Gospel message by other so called cults?

I think this is the case. We are only required to believe what we can understand. If Mormons can't understand some Christian dogma but love God and work at being good neighbors will God not credit them with believing the parts of the Bible as they understand them?

God can regenerate any person "in" Christ Jesus that he chooses. Who am I to tell God that he cannot regenerate a Jew or a Mormon? At the same time, I am convinced that Mormon leaders are evil and don't love God or Neighbor. Also some "Christian" leaders seem to be evil. We can only judge by their works, not their statements.

 

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You are right, they are quite passive when it comes to other religions. They have a 'we don't bash your church, why bash ours' philosophy. For them, one of the marks of being the 'True Church' is being persecuted. They will point out that from the time of Joseph Smithto the present they are a persecuted people.

In my area, there seems to be some syncretism as there are Mormans open to tolerance of members involved in New Age ideas. Much different than the JW's.

No Christian disputes the absolute necessity of knowing the nature of God (as we have discussed on the BB this is limited to the extent our reason, aided by grace, that we understand this mystery). Christian denominations have been united in a constant belief in the supreme God as almighty, eternal, and unchanging. Mormons do not as their self-described "prophets" who receive "direct revelation" from the gods. These revelations are sometimes a flip-flop of other prophets revelations.

 

Except for some temporary detours (Orson Pratt said the Holy Ghost was a spiritual fluid that filled the universe; Brigham Young taught that Adam is the god of this world), the Mormon church has constantly taught that God the Father is a perfected man with a physical body and parts. Rightous Mormon men progress, as did the Father, and eventually become gods themselves. In fact, I believe the fifth president, Lorenzo Snow, summed up the Mormon teaching thus: "As man now is, God once was; as God now is, man may be." Snow frequently claimed this summary of the Mormon doctrine on God and man was revealed to him by inspiration.

There was quite a bit of coverage of this in either 'The god-makers I' or 'The god-makers II'. These videos created quite a stir in the Morman community in my area. There were several symposiums that I wasn't able to attend that were to address the issues brought up in the video.

 

Bro,

That sounds wonderfully politically correct: however, it is simply not true. The Holy Spirit is never referred to as a "She", but always as a "he."

Luk 4:18 "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to...

Please show me one instance where the Holy Spirit is referred to in the feminine.

Thanks.

 

I heard this debated before. And I'm NOT saying I support this, but I'm thinking the argument he may be referring to is one that seems to support the feminine gender of the Holy Spirit, is an association with "the spirit of wisdom" (Exodus 28:3 and Ephesians 1:17). In both the Old and New Testaments, Wisdom is referred to in feminine gender??

 

The Holy Spirit in the NT is referred to as "He." the "spirit of Wisdom" is referred to as "she." Conclusion? Not the same thing.

 

Lori, are you familiar with this website:

http://mormanity.blogspot.com/2004/08/anti-mormon-plea-please-dont-pray.html

 

What's the difference between that and the subjective and esoteric "burning in the bosom" or "my testimony tells me it's true" of the "Mormons"?

Whatever happened to just presenting the Gospel to them?

 

You know, if you're going to copy and paste someone else's work, you really should give them credit for it.

 

Lori, you know, if you're going to copy and paste somebody else's work, you really should give them credit for it.

 

I could tell you were just giving info. It might have been more clear if you had put the quote in quote box, however.

 

So what makes your subjective experience better than their subjective experience?

I've got to be honest with you, if I were an unsaved person, that wouldn't mean anything to me.

The problem with telling an unsaved person how God "changed your heart", is that that doesn't tell them why they should want to have their heart changed or what they need it changed from.

That's why we share the Gospel with them. When you share the Gospel with them, God uses the law to convict them and soften their heart. It explains to them that they don't need God to change their heart, but that they need to be born again. Once they understand their depravity and their status as an enemy of God and the wrath they're going to face on Judgement Day, then you present the Grace portion of the Gospel to them and explain the goodness of God to them and how they can not merely have their heart changed, but be forgiven, reconciled to God and made a child of His.

 

Are you talking about Sophia, the wisdom of God? First Cor. tells us that Jesus is the wisdom of God. Sophia is a metaphor, not the HS.

Or maybe you are talking about the Kabbalah, which is not biblical Judaism. In Kabbalah, the Shekinah is a feminine counterpart to God.

There is no biblical basis for the Holy Spirit being feminine. If you have some, please post it.

The Mormons have the wrong God. Do you know that they believe in many gods? There is the God of this world, and the gods of other worlds. They also teach that God was once a man, and that good Mormon men will be gods of their own world. Their Jesus is likewise not the Biblical Jesus, but a spirit child of God and his wife in heaven, and we are all such spirit children.

God does not contradict his own word and teaching, that is why we know that one cannot be saved through a false Jesus. If a Mormon or Jew is saved, it is through faith in the real Jesus.

We judge by God's word.

 

People are not saved through faith in a false god or Jesus, which is what the Mormons and JWs have.

But the Mormons are not giving the gospel. You do know that they teach Jesus saves us "after all we can do." Iow, works are part of salvation. They also have the wrong Jesus, who is a spirit child of God and his wife.