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Most Pivotal Battle in History?

Discussion in 'History Forum' started by Dr. Bob, Sep 2, 2003.

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  1. Dr. Bob

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    Many great battles that dramatically affected the course of events of the world. Reading the wonderful pb book "What If" and it piqued my mind into which SINGLE BATTLE would be most pivotal in history.

    D-Day?
    Gettysburg?
    Agincourt?
    Salamis?
    Teutoberg Forest?
    Tenochtitlan?
    Waterloo?
    Midway?
    Dien-bienphu?
    Sennacherib?

    I opt for Tours (Potiers) outside Paris AD 732 stopping the Moslem invasion of Europe and beginning the drive of Islam back into Africa and the Middle East.

    Which is yours?
     
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  2. ChurchBoy

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    I agree with you on this one Dr. Bob. European history would have been very different if the Muslims would have conquered Europe. They may indeed conquer Eruope in the future.
     
    #2 ChurchBoy, Sep 2, 2003
  3. Justified Saint

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    Some others...

    Marathon
    Thermopylae
    Zama
    Actium
    Hastings
    Bunker (Breed's) Hill
    Saratoga
    York
    Trafalgar
    Rorke's Drift

    Tours has been one of the most researched and documented battles in history aside from Waterloo.
     
    #3 Justified Saint, Sep 2, 2003
  4. Kiffin

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    I can't argue with Tours either. I would add Stalingrad as my pick as the most important of the 20th century. The defeat of the Nazi's at Stalingrad I believe help seal Hitler's fate.
     
    #4 Kiffin, Sep 2, 2003
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    Without Yorktown, there may not have been a United States of America. The whole history of the world would have been much different.
     
    #5 Hardsheller, Sep 2, 2003
  6. KenH

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    September 17, 1862 - Battle of Antietam.

    If the CSA had won this battle, it likely would have led to European recognition and support; and, IMHO, the CSA would have won it's war for independence.
     
    #6 KenH, Sep 2, 2003
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    Good points but I vote for D-day. Had the Allied forces failed at D-day, the European continent and world history would have been far different. Had Hitler listened to his generals, the Germans would have won. They had the forces and ability to win, but made a bad tactical decision in the early hours by keeping the Panzer divisions put instead of turning them towards Normandy.

    But comparing across eras and wars is very difficult to do.
     
    #7 Pastor Larry, Sep 2, 2003
  8. Bible-boy

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    Boy I gotta tell ya...

    My wife won a real knock down and drag out just the other night in our kitchen... She took me best 3 outa 5 falls! :D

    That's another joke y'all.
     
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    No doubt about it... The Garden Of Eden started it ALL!... What if the devil would have lost?... Brother Glen
     
    #9 tyndale1946, Sep 3, 2003
  10. Bible-boy

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    Nope... There is a bigger one. Calvary. What if Jesus had lost? We'd all be in for it. Praise the Lord for His faithfulness and His victory!
     
    #10 Bible-boy, Sep 3, 2003
  11. Clay Knick

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    Bob,

    Tours is an excellent choice.

    I'd say that D-Day would be my
    choice, but there is much to be
    said for your suggestion.

    Clay
     
    #11 Clay Knick, Sep 9, 2003
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    Tours is a good example of a pivotal battle. I'd Hastings in 1066. A Royal victory during the English Civil war. A Highland victory at Culloden. The Brits were on their way to defeat before Lord Cornwallis got himself trapped at Yorktown, so that's a wash. The next pivotal battle was at San Jacinto. If Santa Ana had won that one, there would have been no independent Republic of Texas, no Mexican American War (or at least not as it was fought on this timeline), no American California gold rush (maybe a Mexican one), and problably no American Civil War. After that, the next (non-Civil War) battle, whose outcome formed the world we live in, was the Battle of Puebla (Viva Juarez, Viva Cinco de Mayo). If the Imperialistas had won this one, Maximilian could hve consolidated his power in Mexico. (This last one is my favorite what if.)
     
    #12 Squire Robertsson, Sep 9, 2003
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    Battle of Armageddon. Of course, this hasn't happened yet. If that isn't pivotal, I don't know what is. :D
     
    #13 LadyEagle, Sep 9, 2003
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    Don't let some of the Preterists on the BB hear you. They believe that Revelation was fulfilled in AD 70.

    Armageddon is past, dude. Did you miss it? It was in all the papers! :rolleyes: [​IMG]
     
    #14 Dr. Bob, Sep 10, 2003
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    dude.???? :eek:

    Dr. Bob, I'm a dudette!! [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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  16. Major B

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    Outside the Biblical battles (cross, armageddon, etc.) the most pivotal battle in history is being fought now, Tours IV--the battle for the world vs. Islam.

    [732--Tours I
    1520s--Tours II against Sulieman
    1681--Tours III (350-pound King Jan Sobieski of Poland cleaned the Turkish clocks at Vienna and saved Europe--the Polish cavalry saved Europe!)]
     
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    And by the way, why couldn't the Antichrist's name be Ahmed or Osamma Yomamma?
     
    #17 Major B, Sep 11, 2003
  18. The Galatian

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    Manzikert. Sealed the loss of Asia Minor for the Byzantine Empire.

    Constantinople was thereafter a minor player, allowing Western Europe to take the lead for Christendom.
     
    #18 The Galatian, Sep 13, 2003
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