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mss Erasmus used

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    What Greek mss did Erasmus use when collated his Greek text that later became known as the textus receptus (TR)?
     
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    The MSS that Erasmus used are generally well known (MS 2 for example was a primary source MS that he marked up and gave to Froben the printer as the basis for typesetting; MS 1r [now called 2814] was the manuscript used for the book of the Revelation; there are about 6-7 others, but I don't have the data in front of me at this point).

    Erasmus never had Codex Vaticanus in his "office" (sorry, Askjo) in Basle, Switzerland, since that MS remained in Rome. However, at (only!) one or two places he did have someone check the readings of Vaticanus. Nevertheless, he did not follow those readings, but chose to follow the readings of the manuscripts he already had in hand in Basle.
     
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    And there are now 5500 known manuscripts, codices, uncials, fragments, etc.

    Erasmus used 7, all from the Byzantine text type (since the Byzantine Empire spoke greek and used greek texts until almost the time of Erasmus, they had many more copies by weight than other regions where there were just a few copies stored in libraries and monasteries).

    http://www.skypoint.com/~waltzmn/ManuscriptsUncials.html is one of a number of sites that give basic understanding of each document.
     
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    Erasmus had around a half a dozen manuscripts. Some he acquired in England; others, I believe, in Switzerland. I don't recall the details, but this topic was discussed here within the last year so the thread is probably still available if you search on it.
     
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    From the internet TC-list, as posted by Mike Arcieri:

    The MSS used by Erasmus throughout the 5 editions are the following:

    Erasmian edition MSS used

    1516 Codex 2e (13th cent.) sent to press
    Codex 2ap (12th cent.) sent to press
    Codex 1r (12th cent.) sent to press
    Codex 1eap (12th cent.) collated
    Codex 4ap (15th cent.) collated
    Codex 7p (11th cent.) collated
    Commentary of Theophylact collated
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    1519 Codex 3ap (12th century) collated
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    1522 Codex 61 (Codex Montfortianus,
    used for 1 John 5:7-8 only)
    Latin MSS collated
    ___________________________________________________________

    1527 Complutensian Polyglot NT
    (heavily used to revise Apocalypse text of 1522)
    Latin MSS
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    1535 none
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    Even though Erasmus subsequently examined further MSS, the remainder were all Latin. The foundation for the TR remains his 7 Greek MSS.
     
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    That is the information I have as well. Once again, a certain person fails to provide evidence claimed to have that proves us wrong. Surprise! Surprise!
     
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    bump to you know who. :D

    We are still waiting for you to back up the outrageous claim you made on the other thread.
     
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