Music in Fundamental Churches

Agreed

I need evidence to accept this, biblical or otherwise. At least in the case of myself, I do NOT find this to be true.

 

Will do, Roger - but give me a bit to do so. I'm about to go visit a lady in the hospital, then others, then come back and finish preparations for tonight's service.

I will try to post the first part of my "evidence" together tomorrow.

Blessings.

 

Excellent Todd. I look forward to your post.

 

Sorry Mr. White, but you haven't been "blasted," and this is a discussion forum. We discuss. You are invited to join.

These questions are good ones, and hopefully we all have the spiritual maturity to respond in the affirmative. However, they also apply to you as well.

 

rebell -

That's why I stated, immediately prior to posting them, the following:

(emphasis added - TWW)

Sister Ann,

I wrote -

"No. But you can't quote me one verse that explicitly states that it is wrong to drive your car over the speed limit, either, but that doesn't mean it's OK to speed!"

To which you replied:

"Hebrews 13:17 'Obey your leaders and submit to their authority.'"

You're proving my point - it says nothing about cars, highways, speed limits, etc., but it does give us a principle that applies to them.

Sorry you're missing my intent.


Gotta run now.

 

Have a blessed day ministering.

 

Changed my mind. I'll wait to see what is said.

 

The beauty of what Annsi said is that it is so simple and clear. The Bible does NOT say "don't break the speed limit" but this verse applies to the question in a crystally clear way. The problem with making the rhythm of music a moral absolute is that the scriptures say nothing about it nor is there a clear biblical principle that leads us to that conclusion. Todd White, I am open to evidence and persuasion, so I will read what you say with open heart and mind, but in my experience, the arguments for your position are neither simple nor clear.

 

Yes, but many things are right are agreed upon by both unbeliever and believer. At this point, I am not taking a position on the argument itself. I am pointing out that "Unbeliever said it so it must be wrong" is a bad argument.

You could be wrong on this. You have concluded that it is not sinful, but you may have misunderstood the Bible, or your conscience may be badly trained.

What scriptural evidence do you have for this? I know of nothing that relegates everything "without scriptural evidence" to the realm of opinion. Which means that this proposition is self-defeating.

Which may be because of a badly trained conscience, a lack of teaching, a lack of common sense, etc. In other words, there are any number of reasons why this may be so, none of which mean that the man with "common sense" is wrong.

Which isn't really the point. If Garlock's arguments are wrong, or incomplete, that still doesn't mean that his conclusion is wrong. Again, this is about method of argumentation.

 

Roger, I appreciate your raising this topic and I appreciate your guidance at keeping it on topic. Gotta disagree with the above though. While it is true that there are many facts that are true, yet cannot be found in the Bible, Garlock & Co have made their position on music a moral absolute and a primary reason for divisions in churches and within associations. I think you could declare a fact to be true without any support from scripture. I do not think you can declare a moral absolute that is binding upon all Christians without either a direct biblical statement or a principle. I cannot think of an exception to this in any other area of Christian belief.

 

In college intro to church music class I had to sit through 6 hours of some yahoo reaching farther than Al Gore on climate change trying to prove the back beat was evil and contrary to the Bible. Scripture no where actually speaks to this.

Our motivation for worship will be an extension of our current heart condition and not a result of a certain type of music.

 

People here are saying there is no biblical basis for the philosophy because of the method of argumentation used (e.g., "I can't the body/soul/spirit teaching in the Bible and therefore all music is acceptable").

Furthermore, the lack of a direct biblical statement does not mean that something has no Bible basis.

 

On what biblical basis do you proclaim this?

You should as well remember that many biblical principles have been offered in support of the idea that music is moral. You might disagree with the principle or the use of it, but that might be because you are wrong, not them.

 

First, I wouldn't consider this a declaration since I said "I think". Second, you left out the last sentence of my statement in which I cannot think of an exception to my statement. There may be an exception to my statement. There may be a moral absolute that I can not find in scripture either by statement or principle, but I don't know of one. If you think of one, let me know. If not, I will continue to think what I currently think because I know of no exception to what I said.

 

I'm waiting to see the Biblical evidence. I wonder if we will hear about Satan once being heaven's choir master?