Music in Latin and such...

Wait Aaron....I like CCM, and I am not going for it.

Sherrie

 

I don't think the "CCM" argument enters into it at all. Isn't that a discussion for another thread?

As far as the other languages go, I think, again, that it depends on your congregation. The key is the understanding of the lyric. If the congregation understands what the song is about, Who it is to, and what the lyrics are saying, I don't see the problem. I have served in a church that even had these songs in the choral library, and the congregation loved to sing along with Pater Noster "Lord's Prayer", and Credo "Creed". This was a unusual situation, but I believe can't be unique to that church.

Bottom line: If the congregation understands, there is nothing wrong with it. In my opinion, the 1 Corinthians Scripture doesn't apply unless the congregation is not edified.

In His Grip,
joshua

 

The bottom line is it doesn't conform to the simplicity prescribed by the Apostle. There's no doubt that singing in Latin is beautiful, but what is gained in hearing Adeste Fideles along with O Come, All Ye Faithful. It serves only to satisfy the ear and pride of man.

Now, had the man sang Adeste Fideles never having known Latin at all then sang O Come, All Ye Faithful then that would have been a supernatural tongue.

As it stands it is just vanity.

 

Good for you, Sherrie!

 

Here is one who is "training" the next generation of church leaders.

Last year I warned that in ten years there won't be much difference between the SBC and charismatic churches. I'm not far off.

http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=58;t=001413#000003

 

Hi Aaron,

The link you posted seems to be a private forum, not sure which one, could you provide the password? Thanks.

Enda

 

It's in the 2002 Archives. The password is "2002".

 

Yeah Aaron, I'd tried that, but the link didn't work, it said something like "No such number". Anyway, I copied the link to my address bar and it works there without any need for a password.

Interesting thread.

 

Aaron that is really not a fair statement. No disrespect to you is intended. But my Church is SBC, and we do nothing that would be concidered a Charsmatic Church.

God Bless
Sherrie

 

Nothing? CCM was accepted first by the charismatics. It is perfect for ecstatic worship experiences. Now it's in the SBC.

But it hasn't been 10 years yet. Give it time. If CCM stays in it can't help but become charismatic.

 

Actually, I do not think my church does CCM in congregation singing. I never have, nor have I heard them. We do however have special singing by someone, and special choir singing during different holidays.

This tho is not the qualifications for charismatic.

But please Aaron, CCM has nothing to do with being Charismatic. You are just trying to pick a fight.

I knew this thread was moving too smoothly.

Let me ask you, do you wear long sleeves only, KJV only, IFB, Any of these fit you? hmmmmmmm....you also might be considered pentecostal. Oh wait...then you would be charismatic.

Your assumption of everyone who listens to CCM is wrong and opinionated.


Charismatic (krz-mtk)

adj.
Of, relating to, or characterized by charisma: “the warmth of a naturally charismatic leader” (Joyce Carol Oates).
Of, relating to, or being a type of Christianity that emphasizes personal religious experience and divinely inspired powers, as of healing, prophecy, and the gift of tongues.


A member of a Christian charismatic group or movement.


I abide in Christ Jesus. So whatever you want to call me for doing so, you do that.

Sherrie

 

Agreed. One has nothing to do with the other, otherwise, you'd have to account for all of the people who aren't charismatic who listen to CCM and all of the charismatics who don't listen to CCM.

I do agree that he's just trying to pick a fight, just like he's doing in the "bar tunes" thread, a subject for which there are already two or three threads and which has been beaten to death.

 

Oh I used to really love playing that song in the early 90's. It's been overdone now...

Still a great song to use sometimes though.


OK I'm late to this thread and I didn't read all 4 pages but has anyone ever tried songs in hebrew and english?

I do it all the time and people seem to love it. The Lord moves and the Spirit falls.

I keep it pretty simple hebrew...and repetitive enough for the congregation to jump in when they're ready.

Something about the hebrew language just makes the experience of worship more authentic to me.

 

Hello Everyone!

Back in 1967 a rock band called the Electric Prunes put out an album titled: "Mass in F Minor"
Imagine Latin texts put to rock!

You can hear clips of the album at http://www.amazon.com

In Christ,
Dale

 

My parents were saved out of the hippie generation when CCM became popular and they were never charismatic.

Point one proven demonstrably wrong.

My church has incorporated choruses and some "modern worship" into sunday morning praise for 7 or 8 years now and they are about as far from charismatic as you can possibly get. We are talking Conservative Baptist five point Calvinists here.

Point 2 proven demonstrably wrong. Next?

 

Oh I used to really love playing that song in the early 90's. It's been overdone now...

Still a great song to use sometimes though.</font>[/QUOTE]G'day yod

OK, you've talked me into it

I'll add Kadosh to the list of "maybes" I am giving Pastor I just wonder what the people will make of that one if we do use it

Pete

 

Oops...double post...

But anyway, I find a few of the Hillsongs to be overdone down this way...Mainly the ones that are not worth over-doing

Pete

 

Here's some more of that Charismatic talk, "the Spirit falls." In the past I only heard that among Pentecostals and Charismatics. When someone says "the Spirit falls," they're describing an ecstatic or trance-like, deeply emotional experience thinking it is akin to the signs and wonders of the Holy Ghost in Acts 10:44 and 11:15.

It has nothing to do with the Spirit however, and everything to do with the natural responses to the music.

CCM was accepted first by the Pentecostals and Charismatics because it fits so well with their manner of worship (which is not real worship). It is easier to evoke ecstatic responses with repetitious, heavily rhythmic music than it is with handclapping, hallelujah's, glory's to God, and so on repeated over and over in a mantra-like fashion.

Slowy CCM worked its way into the mainstream denomination, and the "worship-ful" responses are exactly like those in Pentecostalism.

So despite the objections, CCM has everything to do with the Charismatic movement.

Nothing whatsoever with the Baptist faith.

 

Aaron...
I don't call worship a "natural" response.

Maybe you don't know the difference....

[ August 11, 2003, 01:16 AM: Message edited by: Dr. Bob Griffin ]