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National Day of Prayer Struck Down in Federal Court

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Chessic, Apr 15, 2010.

  1. Chessic

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    The National Day of Prayer does not endorse one religion over another. It does not force unbelievers to pray. It does not impose on the right of any citizen. It does not restrict the life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness of anyone. This case is about one group's (Freedom From Religion Foundation) hatred of anything religious, nothing else.
     
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    Is the next step to rule that military chaplains violate the (so-called) separation of church and state.
     
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    Good ruling. Keep church & government separate.
     
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    She insisted her ruling was not a judgment on the value of prayer.
    "No one can doubt the important role that prayer plays in the spiritual life of a believer," Crabb said in her opinion. "In the best of times, people may pray as a way of expressing joy and thanks; during times of grief, many find that prayer provides comfort. Others may pray to give praise, seek forgiveness, ask for guidance or find the truth. ... However, recognizing the importance of prayer to many people does not mean that the government may enact a statute in support of it, any more than the government may encourage citizens to fast during the month of Ramadan, attend a synagogue, purify themselves in a sweat lodge or practice rune magic."
     
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    Do you need the government to endorse your prayers to God? Should it also endorse Muslim prayers to Allah? To a Wiccan goddess? Where to draw the line in a pluralistic society?
     
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    Yes, I think we know how to read the article. You don't need to post it here.

    As for her comment, the last sentence is not a valid comparison to the National Day of Prayer. The National Day of Prayer does not endorse a particular religion. Each of her examples (fast during Ramadan, attending a synagogue, and purifying in a rune magic sweat lodge) endorse a very specific religion.
     
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    The government is not endorsing prayers to God. The National Day of Prayer is not specifically for the God of the Bible. It is a day of prayer for those of any religion. Those without religion should take it as a day of reflection.
     
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    So you need a government to encourage you to pray. I don't need that kind of nanny state.
     
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    Well, then, I guess you should leave this country. It has been a tradition going back to the founding of this "nanny state".

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Day_of_Prayer
     
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    Hardly. From your link.
    The National Day of Prayer is a day designated by the United States Congress as a day when people are asked to come together and pray, especially for their country. It was created as a floating holiday in 1952 and fixed on the first Thursday in May by Ronald Reagan.
    Again, why do fundie so-called "conservatives" who want government to mind its own business, expect said government to promote religion? Can we say "hypocrisy"?

    Funny, I missed how the USA was founded in 1952.
     
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    No, we do not need the State to encourage us to pray. It is simply an opportunity for Christians to come together in prayer and power. Further, no one is forced to come.

    So, MP, please answer my previous ? - should the military chaplain Corps be done away with?

    and now I have a second questions. Would you object to the govt doing away with federal and State employees taking off Christmas and Thanksgiving. A simple yes or no is sufficient
     
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    Yes on nixing chaplains, yes on nixing the holidays. Make the holidays floating so people can observe any day they wish.
     
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    BTW, it is the neo-Baptists who have abandoned the traditional Baptist position of endorsing total separation of church and government.
     
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    Why are you attempting to be deceptive? I know you read the following from my quote:

     
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    You are the deceiver. Unofficial holidays have no official standing.
     
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    Does an "official" Day of Prayer force you to pray any more than an "unofficial" one?
     
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    No to a ridiculous question. It reveals your deceptive statement however.
     
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    So how 'bout you answering some questions that were posed to you. Tangents get you nowhere.
     
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    What question as been posed to me?
     
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