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Nation's Greatest Mission is to Prevent Terrorists

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Dragoon68, Jul 11, 2005.

  1. ASLANSPAL

    ASLANSPAL New Member

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    Again Dragoon this is a debate/discussion board
    not a bobble head confirmation board..so don't
    tell me what to do and I won't tell you what to
    do ..that simple. Now you can tell the Republican
    side to show resolve because they are the ones
    pointing towards the mid term elections and
    searching for a fall back position now that is
    legitimate debate..perhaps your favorite journalist Mr.Malvern can give us his take ;)

    I just heard 103 MP's in Iraq want us to leave
    and as far as I am concerned we can draw down
    and let them run their own affairs since we
    have already a defined victory. I think more
    and more Republicans will fall in with William
    F. Buckley and his reasoning.
     
  2. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member
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    No my point is that apparently somebody out there HAS negotiated with them SUCCESSFULLY.
    I don't know if there is anybody in the US who is capable of repeating that success.
    </font>[/QUOTE]It's not exactly what I call negotiation but more like reprogramming and it takes another Muslim to reach them. Not enough of them even make the effort.
     
  3. LadyEagle

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    Oh, here's one article about the "put options" on United and American Airlines. Of course, the major media never followed up on it, even though I heard about it originally from major media right after 09/11 - on one of the three major networks, if I recall.

    http://www.copvcia.com/free/ww3/10_09_01_krongard.html


    It's so covered up now and forgotten, I'm sure it's relegated to that dark hole called "conspiracy theory" by now. But I don't forget even though it has been ignored.

    Just like I don't forget that Larry Klayman was bringing a lawsuit against former President Bush and him being employed by Carlyle (conflict of interest), as reported in the very credible Wall Street Journal. I'm sure that's been relegated to a Michael Moore status by now.
     
  4. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member
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    I already blame our leaders for not doing enough. All of them. Every last one of them. Some who lost the last election should be glad, because they won't be in the spotlight when the next big attack comes.

    I've been sounding the alarm trumpet ever since the known terrorist Muslim imam was invited to pray in the National Cathedral at the Memorial Service after 09/11. But there I go again, being politically incorrect. :rolleyes:
    </font>[/QUOTE]You and I and Dragoon are not any of the ones that need to be convinced there is a real war going on, but about half the population is. That half is not willing to put aside political correctness and take the gloves off. Our leaders have to deal with that situation no matter how loudly you and I scream.

    It's going to take more dead Americans here at home to wake them up. Even then , I predict there is 30 % of the population that absolutely cannot be woken up. It will happen. It's only a matter of time and place and how many do the dying.
     
  5. LadyEagle

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    I don't trust our leaders. I truly believe they are all playing the same game, creating diversions and sound bytes for the media so the sheeple will not think about how vulnerable we are for the next terrorist attack on our soil and demand they abide by the Constitution to defend and protect our borders.
     
  6. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member
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    Unfortunately, you may be right. :(
     
  7. Plain Old Bill

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    Moique,
    I fear you are right on both accounts since America is the DEFINED enemy they would never listen to or reason with us.
    However as you pointed out Muslims could(and 1 does)deal with them and they would be receptive,at least many of them would be.Unfortunately there will probably always be a hard core.
    I enjoyed reading your post it added some new perspective. Thankyou.
     
  8. mioque

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    Plain Old Bill
    "since America is the DEFINED enemy they would never listen to or reason with us."
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    The (potentially) good news is that it does not have to be Uncle Sam himself who has to learn them to be reasonable. He can delegate it to the decent Moslim scholars that are presumably out there.

    carpro
    Reprogramming is such a 70's buzz word, I prefer turning.
    It's not that those terrorists receive a complete personality makeover, that would be reprogramming.
    It's simply shown to them that random massmurder is Anti-Islamic and that means to them that they have made a mistake of the highest order by having been part of a group of terrorists.
    It is conceivable that you possibly might believe that Islam is the ideal religion for massmurderers , but the success of that judge from Yemen suggests it's not quite that clearcut.
     
  9. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member
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    Buzz and me were friends in the 70's. ;)

    Current buzzword response would be..."whatever".
     
  10. mioque

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    Throwing in the towel already?
     
  11. Dragoon68

    Dragoon68 Active Member

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    ASLANSPAL, you can read my response on another thread to this same point you made thereon. There's no need to repeat it here.
     
  12. Dragoon68

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    The border issue is one about which I also have great concerns. There's not much point in having immigration laws if we don't strictly enforce them. It is also a hole in our armor. America's citizens and other legal residents need to have this economic and security issue in our own back yard fully addressed.

    I understand the sensitivities of tighter enforcement, especially in areas close to the border, but I don't believe that should be an excuse to ignore the law. Legal immigrants - those they went through the proper channels - are also more than annoyed by those that get a "free ride". Long term, the answer is improved conditions in the homeland which people would otherwise prefer reducing the incentive for crossing the border. That seems unlikely any time soon. Short term, the answer is to positively close the border to all illegal immigration and permanently deport those caught within our borders.

    I also understand the limitations of the US Border Patrol and the concern many have about actively using US military forces in what has traditionally been a civilian law enforcement role. However, we need to be serious about preventing terrorism as well as illegal immigration and if it takes military force to do that then we should make the necessary changes to permit that. We need increased cooperation between all law enforcement agencies on the problem. We need to implement and enforce penalties for citizens who knowingly utilize illegal immigrants as workers.

    We do need to be aware of the reactions that will be forthcoming when and if we do take more aggressive action and we need to have a plan for dealing with them as well.
     
  13. Plain Old Bill

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    Moique,
    I hope that gets done. The sooner the better.This whole ting is insane.
     
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