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it's not the large print that messes you up it's the large errors in your theology
you don't have to cancel out any scripture stay right in Zeph 3 and show me where the love of God is for everyone in the world go ahead

 

the only thing you shown as we get right down to it is that you can't back up what you said and all you can do is call names that's the only thing you've shown

 

what you have shown is that you could run away from Romans 5 and Zeph 3 faster than the world record holder Usain Bolt

 

So...we see that when you actually try and explain your use of the verses to show your view that God loves everyone savingly you cannot quite do it, in fact you have not shown it at all.

Your explanation of Rom2 that God saves the gentiles "because of works" that they do....goes directly against gal 2 where by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified..... no explanation by you.....:laugh:

You pluck out one verse in Zeph 3 that mentions love....but fail to show anywhere in chap 3 your idea s about God's Love to the world.:laugh:

I ask you about romans 5:12-21 the theology of federal headship, and even give you a link so you can read up on it......no response from you:laugh:

Then I see you challenge William in the other thread telling him;

:laugh:

you are big on the challenge part but never really get around to backing it up!

now we are getting to it....lets find more!

 

In post 38...Rippon helped by pointing out the context of romans 5...DC responds byonce again hiding behind his pet phrase...it is not relevant...lol


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Originally Posted by Rippon View Post
Attention please. You did not cite Romans 5:5 :
And hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us.

Now that is very specific. God's love has not been poured out into the hearts of everyone --only the elect have been the recepients of the Holy Spirit which has been given to us alone.

In verse 9 Paul discusses the fact that we have been justified by his blood and not only that but that we will be saved from God's wrath through him!

And the following verse just emphazise the theme. His love is special, specific and only certain ones are the beneficiaries of His love.

Everytime Dc cannot understand or answer he says the post is "not relevant"....lol....Rippon is speaking of a passage dealing with the saving love of God to the justified.....DC claims it is not relevant....anyone can go back and see this pattern in the thread Judith started.....in fact...we can see it anyhwhere Dc posts...lol

The passage helps us answer this....
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Nice try but wrong...simply read the passage...."when we were yet without strength"......"while we were yet sinners"...

Yes DC......guess what...God set His Covenant love upon the elect before time was....Paul speaks this in 2tim 1;

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

This is what is taught nice and simple.......

I explained to you that the word love was not used at all in the book of Acts.....it is not...look for it....lol

so DC responded by quoting from Peters sermon in Acts 2......The word love does not appear there but then DC said...something like...well it is "there if you want to see it"...let me find that quote so DC does not use the wrong quote card to escape commenting;

ah yes...it was found in post 51...
Acts 2:32-40

King James Version (KJV)

32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

If one does not want to see it???? lol...Where is it DC...I said the word is not found...you say it is there???? LOVE...which verse?
Love......show any book in Acts where it shows???? give the verse please!

Oh...you cannot....because it is not there. The Apostles are preaching to all men everywhere and not in one place do they tell an indiscriminate multitude....GOD LOVES YOU.....not once....

What they do command them is to repent and believe in order to be granted the righteousness of God which is what they need.

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Originally Posted by Iconoclast View Post
in fact it is no where found in any book of the bible...

Not sure you realize it is your emotiuon and pride which is forcing you to make foolish assertions, denying some very Basic Bible Truth:

I would correct the misspelled word but you might wet your pants...lol

 

in post 52 we see this exchange;

Dc says;

I respond;

Except that you can provide no verse that says so...

Dc answers...

He failed in the Acts 2 passage...maybe he has some clearer ones , lets look-

DC offers;

I do not see love mentioned here.....

lets try the next one;

the word love is not here.....the word world is! Is every person ever born in the world going to be saved????...NOPE. So even as DC is excited about the word world.....if everyone in the world is saved..he might be onto something.

That is not the case however. As I said....his premise is mistaken...he cannot do it.

 

It has happened over and over like here in post 60;

:laugh::laugh:

 

It has happened over and over like here in post 60;

:laugh::laugh:

 

Hello DHK

Thank you for letting this exchange go on pretty much uninterrupted.
You asked about my concern here. What is the issue?

As you know....with any doctrine we want to make careful examination and be able to offer a scriptural defence for the truth we hold.

The doctrine of the love of God is no exception. Of course it is found as a main pillar of truth and is central in scripture.

Jesus went about doing good to all men.He lived and acted in love.
The cross is a testament to God's love.

We as Christians are to love our enemies.We are to love our neighbor as love fulfills the law.This of course is all true and without debate.

The op raised by Judith asked a different question however.As I understood it she wanted feedback on how to understand that special saving love of God......that results in a sinner being saved from sin and granted life in Christ. She wanted to understand what about persons who remain outside of Christ.

I understand God's saving love to be 100% REDEMPTIVE AND COVENANT in nature. EVIDENTLY DC.....has a different understanding.

However despite all his crying and attempted cyber bullying of the two female's and his attacks on the brethren. .....he now looks to evade the issue and has now 4 or 5 times looked to evade any meaningful response upon cross examination.....His list of sad excuses grows longer than Pinocchio's nose as he runs away and hides in plain sight.

Anyone can post scripture but to give a correct meaning to what you post is important. HE HAS FAILED. Now he continues with his dishonesty and looks to phone a friend.
He suggested I was being evasive but I am right here waiting for his attempted response. I do not care about the name calling as much.

Let me ask you DHK.......do you agree when he posts that God saves Gentiles BECAUSE they DO WORKS OF THE LAW?

 

I believe we are still the early church.I believe God has a design to save a truly innumerable multitude.That is one reason I have been reconsidering my end time view.
I am aware what you are saying is true right now. I shared that view when I was premill. I thought we had to snatch a few souls out of the fire before the rapture and the 7 year tribulation would come.

I still evangelize with an intense sense of urgency not because of a "coming" tribulation. I now do so with a realization that sinners are not guaranteed their next breath , or the next day....so they need to be spoken to in the words of Richard Baxter....as a dying man to dying men.:thumbs::wavey:

So...even if my endtime outlook is mistaken,and my calendar is not the correct one....my living and witnessing remains intact,and consistent;
71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;

72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life