New Denomination Starting - CFBM

Black men ONLY.

What if one has mixed heritage? Is a DNA map required? What % of genome makes a person "black" and acceptable for membership?

HankD

 

Aren't there enough denominations out there already?

 

So much for racial integration. In the Body of Christ, there are no divisions based on dna, etc.

Col 3:8-11 KJV - 8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. 9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; 10 And have put on the new [man], which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: 11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond [nor] free: but Christ [is] all, and in all.

 

To be clear: I'm a Black man and I'm not in favor of this.

However, let us also be clear that it seems that Sunday, in some places, is the most segregated day of the week.

My wife and I live in an Army town with two universities, one an HBCU, and our church is very diverse. Our leadership, less so, but even that is changing.

I understand--or think I understand--what Pastor Johnson is trying to accomplish, but I feel that that course of action places too much value on administrative constructs and too little value on executing the Great Commission and trusting God to do what He said He will do.

 

Obama can't join.

 

I don't have much of an issue with this; although, I'm still mulling it over.

Men in general, but black men in particular, have been made to feel very unwelcome in most churches, as most churches have been feminized. Maleness is not only not encouraged, it's frowned upon. That means, in many cases, we can't just incorporate men into existing churches with limp-wristed male leaders and we certainly can't bring them into female-led congregations, so we might have to do a "men only" or a "black men only" church, for a time, just to build some strong, godly, men who can then lead, as they ought, in diverse churches.

 

The man has a conviction to reach that group, and is giving it his best efforts.

As far as integration in the church, I would characterize this effort as more of a missionary activity, right?

On a side note, I know the music in the northeast in particular carries undertones of Nation of Islam, Five-Percent Nation, Nation of Gods and Earths "belief." I wonder how much of this the good pastor has to battle.

 

I don't disagree with any of those points. Well, maybe the "men" only church .

Many years ago, I read a book called "No More Christian Nice Guy"--I forget the the author, and since I was a newly minted believer with very weak theology, I can't recall if all of his theology was sound or not, but he did make some valid and interesting points. One: the effeminate "hippy Jesus" that many have been fed that is dangerous for several reasons. First, it is COMPLETELY counter-biblical. Second, it creates a version of the savior that is not capable of dealing with the messy realities of fallen people living in a fallen world.

The biblical Jesus, son of Joseph, the carpenter from Nazareth, was clearly, and in every way, more "manly" than any other man ever. And he was certainly unafraid of associating with tax collectors and prostitutes--not exactly polite company--and he had no compunction about condemning religious hypocrisy, particularly among religious leaders. And, in fact, there weren't many "gentlemen" among Twelve.

No! With reverence, Christ Jesus walked all over Israel with no permanent residence, surrounding Himself with social misfits.

Would we welcome those sorts of seekers into our company or our congregations? Or do they need a church just for them because they don't fit into our established concepts of what a Baptist church should look like.

Clearly, I hope it's the former!

 

Much of the disconnect is related to SES. Regardless of ethnicity most people are more at ease, more comfortable associating with people of about the same socioeconomic standing as they.

As I think about it, this pastor has put more sweat, blood and thought into the issue than have I, and so if he is led by the Spirit to reach the unreached, God bless!


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