No condemnation in Christ Jesus !

But of Him are ye in Christ Jesus !

Paul writing to the Corinthian Church these words 1 Cor 1:30-31

30But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

31That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

God the Father put us in Christ Jesus, if we be in Him at all, by it being God's doing, it was done from everlasting to everlasting !

Those who are in Christ, are so by the Sovereign Grace of God the Father Eph 1:3-4

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

Yes, first and foremost The Father puts us in Him by Sovereign Election before the world began. In Him we were and have been preserved and blessed from everlasting even before being called in time ! Jude 1:1

1Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

When we are called, that secret eternal union is made manifest in time, when God the Holy Spirit gives us life and faith in Christ by the Operation of His Grace !

One's being in Christ is all the work of God, yes even our conversion, our saving union with Christ is not the consequence of ones actions, it was not because we were wiser, or better, or made a wiser choice than others, which is what most think today. If we are in Christ, it is because God put us in Christ, for Salvation [ experientially] is of the LORD. It is the purpose of God to make this evident and all men to concede to it. It shall be seen[At the Judgment] that God has apportioned His Saving Grace in such a means that men will see with regards to others, and to confess with concern to themselves, that Salvation, being in Christ is His work alone ! So that it is as it is written:

" He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord"

 

If we are in Christ Jesus, we were Chosen in Him before the foundation pf the world Eph 1:4

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:


And it is also written that Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever Heb 13:8


8Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Now lets look at Eph 1:19-23

19And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

20Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

21Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

22And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

23Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

The Church is His Body ! How long has that been ? Well How Long has Christ been the Head of the Body, the Church ? Col 1:14-19

14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

Since the beginning ? John 1:1,4

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Now if these things be True, and there has has ever been a period of time when the Church was not in Him and any of it's members, then there has been a period of time when His Body was not full, which means there was a Head without a Body.

That Jesus Christ existed before Creation is seen in Paul's writings Eph 3:9

9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Was the Church His Body then ? If not, He was a bodiless Head, which I cannot conceive.

 

dw

I can only present the Truth, cannot give you a capacity to receive it..

 

As in Adam, so in Christ !

1 Cor 15:49

49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

It was God's decision that we would be born of Adam [Flesh] and that we would be born of the Spirit ! It is the Spirit to begin that heavenly image 2 Cor 3:18

But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Now if that Physical Life which was given the Elect in Adam could be distinctly identified and by it be involved in the condemnation of Adam's Transgression Rom 5:18

Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto

and this over 6000 yrs ago before being born in the flesh, is it therefore unreasonable that in Christ, the Antitype, their Spiritual and Eternal Life, which was with the Father and was manifested [ 1 Jn 1:2] and was given to us in God's only begotten Son , according to the record borne by the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost [ 1 Jn 5:7,11] should so identify us in Christ, that it is said that we were Chosen in Him before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

There is no doubt about it, if the elect are given physical life, this is proof that they were in Adam before that life was manifested, and if the elect are now enjoying spiritual and eternal life, this is proof that they were in Christ before the foundation, and consequently never could have been condemned, since scripture states Rom 8:1

1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus

 

dw

Spiritual matters are silly or foolish to the natural man. However, we know that the physical lives of the Elect were in reality in Adam at the time of his creation, because of the effects it rendered as a result of his actions.

And so Adam was a Type of Christ, of Him that was to come Rom 5:14. To come means to be made visibly manifested as per 1 Jn 3:5

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins

The word here manifested is the greek word phaneroō:


to make manifest or visible or known what has been hidden or unknown, to

expose to view, make manifest, to show one's self, appear

The Son of God, existed in heaven , not visible, before He was incarnate and became visible in flesh and blood.

But even before this [His incarnation], He was the Head of His Body the Church.

Now Adam was manifested in time before Christ the Head was, but he did not exist before Christ the Head. So now if the elect were in Adam before they existed physically, then likewise they were in Christ before they exist spiritually through spiritual birth..

And if they were in Christ, then the condemnation they incurred by sinning in Adam Rom 5:18

18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation;

That condemnation, which was theirs, i don't deny that, however God imputed it to the Charge of the Head, Christ ! Their condemnation was never imputed to their charge, but to the Charge of their Head and Surety..

2 Cor 5:19

19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

So how could they have been condemned when God did not impute their Trespasses [beginning with Adam] unto them ?

 

Your challenge is silly, The Elect have always been Justified and Glorified in their Head [ Based on His Finished Work of the Cross]. Jesus stated to His Father as He was praying as The Head of His Sheep and His Body Jn 17:5


5And now O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Now, this same Glory He is requesting for, which He had before the world was, is as the Head of the Election of Grace, and yes, they were in Him then. Christ and His Church have a Eternal Union.

But these are Truths you have already proven you cannot receive and call them foolishness.

And yes the Elect were in Adam fallen and sinful creatures experientially, but they were always Glorified in God's Mind. Just Like Christ their Mediatorial Head was always Glorified, but He took on the Likeness of sinful flesh, and its stated afterwards that He was Glorified. Does that mean He unglorified ever in God's sight ?

All the Elect were also Glorified when Christ was Glorified when God raised Him for the Dead Eph 2:6

6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

The Elect are Glorified then when they were MADE to sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus.

This is more Truth for you to reject and spurn as foolishness..

 

dw

I just explained what I mean in post 51 !

 

dw

You act like that does not mean anything. Its real to God, that matters above anything else, thats why He gives His People Faith, so they can perceive whats real because its real to Him.

Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of thinhs not seen, but the substance and evidence is a reality to God..

The elect were never condemned by God for their sins, Christ was..

 

dw

Blasphemy..

 

dw

More Blasphemy. Abraham was a Father to many Nations before God exercised one bit of His Creative Power Gen 17:5

5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

Rom 4:17

17(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

The very word of God itself makes it True and Real to God ! And to those of use who God gives Faith, His Promises are True and Real to them also.

Based upon God's word alone, a Childless Abraham could have called himself a Father, though the natural mind of men would have thought he was crazy..