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No Greater Joy Ministry

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by abcgrad94, Mar 31, 2008.

  1. annsni

    annsni Well-Known Member
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    That is great that you have the ability to discern truth from lies - but there are MANY out there who are recommended a book then go with exactly what it says in the book - even if it doesn't make sense or if it's against what the Bible says. I know of women who have followed the Pearl's teaching and then were shocked to find out later that it's NOT all their fault that their marriages are what they are. They did everything right then began to question themselves because certainly they must be doing something wrong if things didn't change.

    I've seen way too many women fall for what is published hook, line and sinker - and have worked hard in our own church to feed truth to the women who have listened to the Pearl's teaching and even worse, Gary Ezzo's stuff. My children have been raised quite opposite of what is in To Train Up a Child and they honestly are wonderful kids - seriously and that's not just a biased mom saying it. If you met them, you'd see too. I have 2 little ones who are great kids who have a great relationship with us and listen to us. We also have 2 teens who have never made us embarrassed to be their parents - ever. So I guess doing what Michael Pearl says what not to do (which he promises will result in evil, sissy children) isn't so bad.
     
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    Seems what they learned was very beneficial.

    I have met only one person who knows everything there is to know about raising children/ Jesus.

    Some things work best for others while others don't see it that way. Life is full of trial and error. each one of us are different. Some things will have a positive effect on some, while those very same things will drive others away.

    I believe being sensitve enough using God-given discernment will result in knowing how to deal with each child individually.

    My teens have "embarrased" us alot, they tell other people how nutty we are!:laugh:
     
  3. mactx

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    I have read this thread with interest. I too have studied CTBHHM. I coudln't read more than a few pages before needing a shower. It came off to me as little more than soft porn for women. (My Beloved says I can be a Pearl follower only on weekends.)

    My biggest issue with the Pearls however began when I read the account of their daughter's wedding, and Mr. Pearls... leacherous account of it. His decription of his daughter and her dance to "sufficiently salivate" her new husband in front of their friends and neighbors made me ill. Definitely not a person of good "taste". Even my hillbilly family has better sense than that.

    His supposed ministry has some supporters, but then so iwll the anti's when he appears. I figure my best bet is to stay with God's word and let men dicker it out for themselves if they wish.

    As for me and the women on my website, I will insist the Pearls stay far far away. Paul and Peter tell women all they need to know to be the best wives and mothers. We dont need men who think they have reached perfection, or women who are willing to stand in for their husbands on judgement day and accept all blame for what hubby did to mess with our heads.
     
  4. annsni

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    Amen Mac - Amen!

    Don't forget that none of their children are legally married so that they won't be "equally yoked" with the "sodomites" who will some day have the right to marry.
     
  5. tinytim

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    Ann, what did you mean by that last statement

    (I know your post was over 2 yrs old, and you being a woman may have a difficult time remembering, what with you seducing your husband and all like a good lil wife, flipping your hair and giggling.. .ROFLMBO!!! :tonofbricks: but)

    What do you mean they are not "legally married"?
     
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    Do *not* recommend them. They aren't as bad as Ezzo or Gothard and, in homeschooling circles, they are often the voice of reason (eg. Pearl's stance on guy-girl relationships is downright reasonable when compared to other teachers in the same general circle). But when it comes to child-training they have some serious problems both theologically, philosophically and practically.

    I would point someone instead to Ted Tripp's book.
     
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  7. annsni

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    ROTFL - You really are looking for the rolling pin, aren't you??

    Did you read the account of the wedding? It was honestly disgusting. I thought of it in the alcohol thread where someone said that there was a wedding that they attended with a lot of drunkenness and licentiousness. Well, if the daughter's wedding here wasn't licentious, I don't know what was.

    But what I meant was that they do not file their weddings with the state. They have a wedding ceremony but they will not file licenses or anything so there is no legal proof of a marriage. They do this on purpose so that they are not "bound to sodomites" is how I think they said it. Let me find the quote....

    from http://www.nogreaterjoy.org/articles/general-view/archive/2004/july/23/the-wedding/


    What I have to laugh about is that by avoiding the state marriage, they are doing just what those "sodomites" are doing - having ceremonies without legal binding. Quite ironic, IMO.
     
  8. tinytim

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    It's amazing to me how many good Godly people are being duped by this couple. What they say on the surface sounds good.. but then when you dig in, you see Satan's hand underneath...

    BTW... you're too far away to reach me with your rolling pin!!! nana nana na na!!! :p
     
  9. tinytim

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    Ted Tripp? Gonna have to google that...

    What are some other good alternatives so that I can recommend to people when I run across someone who is using the Pearl's stuff?
     
  10. annsni

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    Seriously. There is just way too much to even be able to pinpoint one or two things. He's just seriously in error.

    You'd be surprised just how far this arm reaches. Ask my kids.....
     
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    What amazes me is not that there are people like this out there, but rather that they so easily get people to follow them and buy their books.
     
  12. annsni

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    I agree with Ted Trip and his brother Paul as well. Ted has written "Shepherding a Child's Heart" for children and Paul has written "Age of Opportunity" for teens. An additional book that I honestly think is one of the best books on parenting out there is "Gospel Powered Parenting" by Bill Farley. I can't recommend that book enough.
     
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    Tripp's "Shepherding a Child's Heart" is the best antidote to Pearl that I know of. Get them away from behavior modification :)

    To the Pearls, children are moral blank slates. Their teachings on discipline extend from this philosophy. Hence, even though they may have some good points and even though one may not disagree with everything they say, one still needs to realize that their teachings are based on a false philosophy - one that isn't even accepted today by the world's thinkers, much less Scripture. Since this false philosophy permeates their teachings, it is not possible nor practical to try and "eat the meat and spit out the bones" as some would say. Don't worry about throwing out the baby with the bath water with these teachings since the baby is a Scriptural bastard.
     
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  14. annsni

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    Best thing I ever did on this topic and being a pastor's wife with children was to get the two books. I was able to get both the Train Up and Helpmeet books online from others for free so I didn't support their deranged ministry. I took both books with me on our boat vacation a few years ago and sat with my Bible, a pen, a notebook and highlighter and started going through the book. HOLY COW!! At one point, my husband forbid me from reading for the whole day because it was getting me SO angry and he kept saying "We're on vacation! Settle down!!" Seriously, I wanted to hit the two of them upside the head and shake the living daylights out of every person who thinks they are the cats pajamas!
     
  15. tinytim

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    Now, now Ann... do we have to do some behavior modification on you? LOL...
     
  16. annsni

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    NEVER!!!!! You can't make me!!!

    You have to understand that I am known around here as the "immovable object". Of course my teen daughter is the "unstoppable force" so we have quite a few interesting interactions. LOL
     
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