I already addressed that with the obvious examples.
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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by steaver, Jan 8, 2018.
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One day Steaver you are going to love GOD so much, You would rather get tortured FOREVER then to stop loving God for 1 second. An absolute unbreakable loyalty and dedication.
God might not mean that much worth to you now. But I'm hopeful. Your priorities are just off a tad. :Biggrin
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Also, the other book of YHVH Elohiym, the book of nature itself testifies to the circaseptum [7 day cycle built into creation itself] rhythm, look it up.
Also, logic, I know that the everlasting God who is eternal Truth [truth and Love are both eternal, think about it], that the spiritual/moral aspect cannot change, thus the very foundation of YHVH Elohiym character [His Law, since the eternal Creator is ruler over all creation] governs all the Kingdom of Heaven and under Heaven. It is as eternal as YHVH is.
Also, history [similar to my first point] testifies, citing the true followers of Jesus, reveal that the 7th Day the Sabbath was kept from the beginning until this very day by a remnant in every era, and I can cite the historical record as such from the history book, the Bible [KJB], as well as other sources, such as Sozomen [5th Cent.] and Socrates Scholasticus [5th Cent.], I can cite even our enemies, such as the Roman Vatican's sources, as well as the multitudinous sources beyond them in the so-called protestant realm, and even secular sources, dictionaries, encyclopedias, and so on.
Also, from our enemies own testimonies and violent attacks upon it in both the spiritual and physical realms. Thus even our enemies having testified [as in a court of Law, human or Heavenly] to the Truth [for even devils must submit to it], thus is the great divide between truth and error, light and darkness, good and evil, rightesouness and sin seen and known by all, even yourself, as an inspired theologian and historian, Paul showed to the persons of Rome.
Also, the very fact of the 7 day week itself [and the utter failures of men's attempt to mess with this, like France's attempt at a 10 day week, etc], and it's necessary origin [being distinct in time keeping than all other apsects of time keeping, it is not calendated like the year through a motion of worlds, nor is it calculated by the lunar phases to describe a month, nor is it separated into 24 hours, and divded by 2 sets of 12 [as in the 24 elders of Heavenly, or the earthly 12 patriarchs, 12 apostles, etc], which is not found in anything of creation, but in a Creator's will.
Also, the number seven, in definition means to be complete, at rest, it came after 6, the number of man, the highest order of creation on earth, and before 8, the number of reconstruction/resurrection, because the rest and atonement that existed between Creator and creation, was broken by sin, and so according to promises which YHVH made, and cannot lie, thus was the beginning in perfection, and so too the perfect Saviour from sin dying for us because of sin, and so too the everlasting Life in the future world to come, wherein the 7 is memorial of creation and redemption - forever, a Holy day that cannot be altered by anything of creation.
As for the word Adventist, its very name strikes fear into the sinner [who does not want Jesus to return, and wants to live a little longer in sin, another moment, one more deceitful pleasure experienced], for it acknowledges boldly before all the world, that Jesus is not only returning soon, but in the very revelation of power and in glory. Advent. Think about what this word means to the true hearted Christian. Boom. Advent. No longer in far distant future, but now, here, present, even at hand, and at the doors, yea standing right before us all, knocking. No longer separation, on the level of Deity and of humanity. Death defeated, Eternal Life overcoming. United together forever, and every day that blessed hope burns within my own heart and in the hearts of all true believers.
The two words combined, encompass the whole of the Way, the Truth and the Life, which not only acknowledges who the True Creator is, but that we await [not in idleness, but in true active faith] to be reunited by a promise left unto us by that Creator, who accomplishes all things which begun to do, and works in and through us. Thus encompasses the whole of life, to live in holiness, no sin, right diet, right thinking, right speaking, right doing, always expecting, understanding what happens in death, and for the sinner, because of the future return, and promsies made of the new world to come, etc. -
Thus the danger of blaspheming the person of the Holy Ghost, which is the great sin. We grieve away, not in a single act [though there is a final act, see Lucifer, King Saul, etc], but in a continuing and increasing deafness [ending in a seared conscience, a forever hard rebellious heart] to entreaties and wooings thereof.
There is a time limit [sin brings forth death [as an expectant woman], though it is progeriatric, fleeting, limited, vanity, beginning from nothing and going to nothing], and a slowly closing window of opportunity to remain in salvation/redemption. God has provided the treasury of grace, but that probationary period may still yet be squandered away, given up, etc.
To board the ark, is not enough. One must stay with it the whole way through, and not jump ship. There is a massive divide between 'didn't' jump ship, and 'can't' jump ship.
It is revealed in the covenant of marriage. The relationship is a covenant relationship, just as the New Covenant is. Both say I do, but in differing ways. God says upon His part, I love you, I will work in you to restore you to perfection/atonement, if you allow it. We say, I will submit to this, in trust, hope, faith and love [even thanksgiving]. The marriage vow takes place in an instant, but it must also continue every moment, otherwise the vow ceases to be a vow, and becomes broken. A marriage may be strained by one or both parties [humanly speaking], but it doesn't mean that the marriage is instantly broken, but there exists grace, forgiveness, etc with in it in a true marriage. God is longsuffering, not willing that any perish, but obviously many will, not that they had to. Not a single person needs to remain lost, and not a single person needs to leave the relationship of salvation/redemption. Will some? Yes, even as like Lucifer and Eve and Adam chose another relationship outside of the vow.
It is a restored relationship.
There is also a judgment, which must take place before Jesus returns. This judgment evaluates the hearts of all professing peoples. It reveals whether or not the relationship lasted, or endured through it all [being tested], etc. It is not as if it is hidden to the one in right relationship. -
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1. You don't believe you sin much, maybe even go months or years without a sin??
2. You COMPLETELY lose your salvation when you do sin, thus, you need to be born again all over again, again??
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Welcome! You have listed quite a bit of material to discuss so I will just go one point at a time so nothing gets lost in the conversation. I'm sure some of these points can be explained in pretty short order and then I will post your next point(s)
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Thus it is gross error to equate relationships preceding that time when God began reconciling men unto Himself through Christ. When we try to equate the born again believer with Adam, and worse, with Satan, and imply they can "leave at any time" it shows a complete lack of Biblical understanding.
...the Gospel had not yet been revealed to them.
Salvation is wholly the work of Holy God. It is He that intervenes in the life of the natural man and enlightens him to the truth of the Gospel. He has always been the source of light/truth in the lives of men.
Satan said "I will..."
So did God: "I will cleanse you of your idols, I will give you a new heart and remove that hard heart from you, I will give you a new spirit.
And "...I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in my statutes and to keep my judgments."
All these things are effected by God, not man.
That kind of religion replaces being kept by the power of God to being kept by one's own power.
...not even one.
That is why Christ died in your stead. Because there was no hope of righteousness in one who was a natural man (and that was all of us) to be righteous. The fact is that every man and woman will fail to carry out the will of God, and will sin, and will thus bring upon themselves the penalty for sin...
...which is death.
And the idea of "multiple salvations" has no Biblical basis whatsoever. When men are immersed into God through reconciliation of the Cross of Christ...that's it. There is a change of that person because they are spiritually resurrected from the death they were born into. You see, no man is born having the life of Christ, and that is the remedy for man's fallen condition.
That, my friend, is grievous sin, and warned about many times in Scripture.
Let me ask you this: are you a born again believer, and if so, how did you come to be born again, and what does it mean to be born again?
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Here is the official SDA website, they allow for abortion:
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You think the worst consequence is suffering eternally. Its not, SIN itself is the problem.
Between now and heaven sinning will sound MORE INSANE then smashing your hand with a hammer for FUN.
One is not going to understand that since they cheapen the value of the good work of loving GOD.
Folks even make GOOD WORKS like LOVING GOD out to be some kind of chore for something "greater".
Fixated on an idolatry of self-pleasure and the idolatry of salvation.
How about you answer my question.
How much is loving God worth to you again? -
tyndale1946 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Steaver... You posed a lot of questions so here is my thoughts... I started thinking about God at the age of seven and joined the Baptist Church at the age of twenty-two after a near death experience in Vietnam... Anyone on here that says God can lose one of his grace wrought, blood bought, beloved children, does not know MY GOD!... WE ALL SIN!... WE ALL NEED A SAVIOUR!... Everyday!... Salvation is not only Eternal, it is daily!... It is not to keep our Eternal Salvation that we might lose it but to keep the Joy of it we already have... You want to know how secure you all are... To get to one of Gods precious token of redeeming grace you have to overthrow THE GODHEAD!... It's been tried before and SATAN LOST!... I'm now seventy-one, and next month I'll be three score, ten and two... I played by your rules and didn't quote any scripture... Oh but I wanted too... Missed you Steaver... Where have you been?... Brother Glen:)
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I believe in God, the Father almighty,
Creator of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried;
he descended into hell; on the third day he rose again from the dead;
he ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty;
from there he will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting.
Amen.
Or:
I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
[At the words that follow up to and including "and became man," all bow.]
and by the Holy Spirit
was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son
is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
I believe in one, holy,
catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one baptism
for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen. -
The question for you is, how does your sin, which you admit you have, cause you to COMPLETELY lose your salvation?? -
There is also something to be said for the texts of scripture which deal with the period of innocency, so when I say 30 years, I simply included everything, without having to go into such a detail here.
I suppose the family born into would not have mattered, since no one being born of the flesh, is a Christian, and so could have been born into a baptist family, methodist, or etc, and still been just as lost, though certain aspects of apostate christendeom have more truth/light than others, though still carrying a lot of the "Mother's" teachings and practices [sunday sacredness, preterism, futurism, immortal soul/spirit theology, eternal torments, Michael the archangel is merely a creature, osas, traditions above scripture, and so on], not to mention all the pagan families [Muslim, Buddhist, Ancestral, Animist, etc]
In the same manner, I suppose I could have been born into a Seventh-day Adventist family, and been just as lost, because of the flesh, carnal nature, sin/s. Being a Seventh-day Adventist in name or 'lineage' [as of flesh, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, gen., no such thing] is not salvation, never could be, never will be. Many in such a name [only] or 'lineage' will perish, and many others in other places will be accepted, walking to what they knew. Though there is in these last hours of earth's history such a test, as noted in the final book, in which all must make a decision, even as it was in the days of Noe [Noah].
True Seventh-day Adventists are 1st gen only, meaning, all must have been "born again", by "water" and "spirit" as was stated by Jesus to Nicodemus.
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There are no such words as "catholic Church" in scripture, neither in the OT Hebrew/Syriac, nor NT Koine Greek. I even had Roman Catholic apologist admit this to me in print, after I sent them the evidence, which showed that their best attempts failed to stand up to scrutiny.
If you would like that same evidence, I will share it with you here.
However, there is indeed a 'universal' religion, a 'universal' synagogue of Satan, who say they are apostles and are not, who say they are jews [circumcised of heart] and are not, but are spiritually [uncircumcised] gentiles, and it is found in the Great Whore, Babylon the great [who is in 3 parts]. For the whole world [universal, catholic] wonders after the beast of the Sea. I am not saying that all persons presently in said system are wicked, lost, etc, though they are presently deceived upon certain points. So, am not speaking derogatorily, I am speaking the language of that which is written, as a loving warning. There is no maliciousness in my saying, though certain ears/hearts would have it added so. There are many presently within and under the sanctuary of Seventh-day Adventist, which will [and even now is] go out, and separate, as tares from wheat, goats from sheep, foolish from wise, by the angels, even the 3 Angels of Revelation. The prophet Ezekiel showed this, in chapter 9 of his writings, and shows that the judgment and execution thereof begins with the us, even the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists, from the highest Elder, unto the least. The dead are even now being judged since 1844, and when the test comes, it will pass from the dead to the living, and there are already previews of it even now.
True Seventh-day Adventists are indeed of every nation, people, tribe and language, but we are not 'catholic'. We are the pure woman which came out of the wilderness, and made war upon by the synagogue of satan. -
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