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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by TCassidy, Jan 22, 2018.

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  1. TCassidy

    TCassidy Administrator

    Mar 30, 2005
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    There has been a problem with how we refer to ourselves and how we refer to others as we discuss our varied positions on Soteriology.

    "Calvinist." "Arminian." "Pelagian." "Semi-Pelagian." "Fatalist." "Robot." "Free Willer." "Determinist." "Monergist." "Synergist." Etc.

    I suggest we, especially the Baptists engaged in the discussion, use the Historic Baptist terminology of "Particular" and "General" Redemptionists.

    "A." The "Particular" Redemptionists believe that Christ Atoned only for His peculiar people, the elect, on the cross, and all of the elect will believe on the finished work of Christ.

    "B." The "General" Redemptionists believe Christ Atoned for all on the cross but only those who come to Him, or place their faith in Him, or exercise their free will to believe in Him, will be saved.

    I will entertain any additions or subtractions from either position to ensure I am being fair to both sides of the discussion.

    Please. No blasphemy. No name-calling. No telling others what they believe.

    If you are an "A" you may only suggest modification of definition "A."

    If you are a "B" you may only suggest modification of definition "B."

    Once we agree on the definitions, then a discussion may ensue regarding the pros and cons of each position.

    "Let all things be done decently and in order."
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  2. Squire Robertsson

    Squire Robertsson Administrator

    Jul 4, 2000
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    From another thread, some more definitions.
    TCassidy replied:
    "What is commonly (but wrongly) called "Calvinism" can be divided into several categories.

    1. Hyper-Calvinism believes God is the author of sin and man has no responsibility before God. The Gospel should only be preached to the elect. Anti-missionary. Belief in the five points is a prerequisite for true salvation. Supralapsarian.​

    2. Ultra High Calvinism believes that the elect are in some sense eternally justified. They deny the common call of the Gospel, Common Grace, and God having any love for the non-elect.​

    3. High Calvinism believes that God in no sense desires to save the reprobate, Most deny the legitimate Gospel offer. Supralapsarian​

    4. Calvinism believes that God does, in some sense, desire to save the reprobate, Infralapsarian. Accepts, in some form, Common Grace.​

    5. Low Calvinism believes that Christ died for all in a legal sense, so one can speak of Christ dying for the non-elect. That God has two distinct wills. Affirms the legitimate Gospel offer and Common Grace.​

    Quoted from Rev Jonathan James Goundry.

    I would, for the most part, be a 4, but also accept that Christ died for all, but not necessarily in a legal sense. More likely in a practical sense so He can bless the lost with Common Grace of the former and latter rains, etc."
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