Featured Norm Geisler teaches Pelagianism?

Which council of Calvinism declared the charge of semipelagianism could be used to slander any and all non-Calvinists, such as Dr. Geisler?

 

Ohhhhhh Boy

 

If God's grace of illumination comes before men of flesh respond in faith, why would a Calvinist make a charge of semi-pelagianism except for the purpose of slander?

Still waiting for the quote where Geisler says man can redeem himself. Perhaps like the King's Speech, we may have to wait a long time.

 

I've never been a fan of David Jeremiah. His affiliation with TBN is telltale.

The Spirit is tantamount in salvation and it is He who initiates the process and quickens. Free will is a misnomer and has caused much trouble in 'the church' as freewill has absolutely nothing to do with soteriology. All glory is to God in salvation.

 

Amen:applause:

 

And there is much of your theological demise in a nutshell.

 

I rather like the following for its simplicity and clarity.

http://marccortez.com/2010/11/20/synergism-is-not-semi-pelagianism/

 

So does this mean he, in your estimation is not now a SP, but simply has a different understanding of election than you?

 

That is quite "big" of you. Thanks for your honesty.

 

I truly fail to understand why any of this matters. In the street, in your work environment, amongst your family, you areto try to emulate Christ in your behavior & when you teach, its that Jesus saves. Now I happen to believe that the Holy Spirit has much to do with the transformation process---more than many care to admit but does that make me a believer in extra biblical teachings by men with opinions...nope. I'm keeping my nose in the Bible and my faith in the HS to guide me...everything else is just conversation.

 

Sure I can. I can get a whole lot out of his one visit and endoresement of TBN and Crouch. But the thing is I never stated 'constantly'. Those are your words and you taking this to the extreme.

Why would I read one of his books when I don't care for his preaching?

By the way I haven't made claim that he preaches a prosperity Gospel. I do know that he has plagiarized though -- when I saw that I lost much respect for him.

I am not enthralled with his teaching, sorry to you, but I just don't get into him. Perhaps it's his past ties to IFB, I don't know (something I found out about him later). Nothing against him as a person, I just don't get into his preaching although I do happen to listen to him almost daily. I know you're a huge fan of his and that is great but not everyone is as big a fan.

 

Do you feel he is a false teacher?

 

Per Theopedia:
"He rejects the classical Calvinist tenets of unconditional election, limited atonement and irresistible grace, yet retains modified versions of total depravity and perseverance of the saints. "

So he would indeed fit a semi pel view!

 

I wonder if he ever declaired his stance in total. Personally have stayed away from him sencing his demeanor.

 

You guys need to make up your minds. Either the opposite of being a cal is arminian or pelagian. It cant be both. Or how about stop trying to define everyone by your personal system of theology and avoid all the confusion altogether.

 

You have no clue what you're talking about.

Just because someone disagrees with the 5 points of Calvinism doesn't make them a semipelagian by default. If you believe that it does you are wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

There are more options than Calvinism or Arminianism.

 

he seems to hold to a view that makes it that we still have a aprt in our salvation, that we in the ultimate sense do make the decision to accept/reject jesus, so yes, semi pel!