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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by loDebar, Jun 7, 2019.

  1. Yeshua1

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    True, as Jesus is God, but at the very same time the other 2 members of the trinity are also!
     
  2. Yeshua1

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    I love how for decades the JW would misquote and use for their propaganda what Dr Manley stated in regards to Jesus, as they kept using him prove their heresy on Jesus not beijng God, and he ended up sending to them a letter stating that Jesus twas fully God and stop quoting him as their Greekl expert!
     
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    Yes, and the sad thing is that they keep on believing and teaching the same lies! May the Lord have mercy on them.
     
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    Again, that is not in dispute. I have already affirmed that all three members of the Trinity are God, as well. :)
     
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    Thanks for actually presenting your view. I disagree with much of it.

    First, many scholars believe that the Second Person of the Trinity spoke through the burning bush. I believe it was Logos as well.

    Second, the manifestation of the Holy Spirit as separate from Christ was the point. Here is what I said: "Now each of these "entities" can manifest themselves to humans such as the burning bush, or "like a dove."

    Third, we agree, sometimes the "Angel of the Lord" appears to be the Second Person of the Trinity." However, not in every cast. Other actual Angels can serve as messengers.

    Fourth, the idea that Jesus had two spirits, one human and one God Almighty is bogus in my opinion. Again, if you can support that view from scripture I would be interested. When I looked, I could not find it.

    Fifth, an entity such as the human spirits in heaven, have personhood but do not have their glorified body yet, that occurs at the second coming.

    I agree that there is only one Third Person of the Trinity, but disagree that the other two Persons are without a spiritual dimension.
     
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    The phase "God is Jesus" is unbiblical, as it teaches that Jesus only is
    I will pick up on one point that you make. Are you saying that at Jesus' death, that it was the Holy Spirit that He commended to the Father? Luke 23:46 says, "Then Jesus called out in a loud voice, “Father, into Your hands I commit My Spirit.” And when He had said this, He breathed His last.". Which tells us that this mention of "spirit", was Jesus' human "life" (breathed His last). Surely for Jesus to have a complete "human nature" (sin exempted), He must have had a human will, soul and spirit, otherwise His "human nature" would be no more than a phantom.
     
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    Jesus was fully God and fully Man...
     
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    Hi Acts 2:21, In my opinion, you are making an argument from silence. And that is fine. Again I could find no evidence for your view.

    But thanks for actually answering one of my questions, if God is Jesus means Jesus only is God then the description is bogus. However, others could interpret the phrase to mean God is Jesus and God is the Father and God is the Holy Spirit, or in a non-exclusive way.
     
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    did I say that He is not?
     
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    Sorry for the double post, Acts 2.21, I see I missed one of your questions. I am saying I believe the Spirit Jesus commended, was the Spirit of Christ, the Second Person of the Trinity, and not a human spirit, or the Third Person of the Trinity.
     
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    Hi, do you believe that post-Incarnation, the Lord Jesus Christ is 100% fully God, and 100% fully Man, except sin? Do you accept that Jesus did really take on the "form of man" (Philippians 2:7), which the NIV rightly translates the Greek as , "the very nature", which, as the previous verse, "the very nature of God", means, that He is fully God-Man? (see also Hebrews 2:14). In 1 Thessalonians 5:23, Paul says that the complete human nature consists of, "spirit, soul, and body". This must mean, that, if Jesus Christ, post-Incarnation, was indeed, "God manifested in the flesh" (1 Timothy 3:16), then He, like us humans, must also have "spirit, soul, and body", in reality, but not a sinful human nature (Luke 1:35, Romans 8:3).

    Do you accept this this is what the Bible teaches about the Person of the Lord Jesus Christ?
     
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    the OP verse quotes God, being pierced. This could not the Godhead, but Jesus as God
     
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    I was pretty clear sin, I believe the Second Person of the Trinity became flesh. His Spirit was the "soul/Spirit" of Jesus, God incarnate.
     
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    right, but He is not "Second" in deity or power
     
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    I agree
     
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