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NT facts from 40 editions of the KJV

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Logos1560, Dec 12, 2009.

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  1. Harold Garvey

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    Those make for doctrinal changes? [off topic]
     
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  2. Logos1560

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    It seems that you are suggesting that facts or accurate information about KJV editions serve "no purpose."
     
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  3. Johnv

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    No one made the claim that citation of passage differences was for the purpose of identifying doctrinal differences between the revisions.

    But, since we're on topic, at least we have it on record that you're okay with the changing of texts so long as doctrine isn't changed from the source texts.
    Yes it does. It serves to note textual differences between KJV revisions. Whether you're interested in such textual differences or not does not dictate whether a thread serves no purpose.
     
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    examples from the Gospel of Luke

    Luke 1:63
    writing-table (1774, 1777 Oxford) [1769, 1817 Cambridge] {1760, 1763 London} (1793 Edinburgh) (1782 American) (1843 ABS)
    writing-tablet [2005 Cambridge]
    writing table (SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [CSTE, DKJB]

    Luke 1:74
    hands (1758, 1774, 1777 Oxford) [1768, 1817, 2005 Cambridge] {1611, 1760, 1763 London} (1782 American)
    hand (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [1769 Cambridge, DKJB]

    Luke 2:14
    towards (1758, 1774, 1777 Oxford) [1637, 1762, 1768, 1769, 1817, 1873, 2005 Cambridge] {1611, 1760, 1763 London} (1782 American)
    toward (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [DKJB]

    Luke 2:27
    spirit (1758, 1762, 1774, 1788, 1795, 1810 Oxford) [1637, 1769 Cambridge] {1611, 1760, 1763 London} (1782 American)
    Spirit (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [DKJB] {1711, 1838 London} (1793 Edinburgh) (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)

    Luke 3:1
    Iturea (1758, 1762, 1769, 1770, 1774, 1777, 1788, 1792, 1795, 1798, 1804 Oxford) [1637, 1768, 1769, 1790, 1795, 1817, 1824, 1833, 1837, 1844 Cambridge] {1611, 1711, 1760, 1763, 1817, 1824 London} (1793 Edinburgh) (1782 American) (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)
    Ituraea (SRB Oxford, SSB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [DKJB]

    Luke 3:17
    thorowly {1611 London}
    thoroughly [2005 Cambridge] (1793 Edinburgh) (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)
    throughly (1758, 1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [1637, 1768, 1769 Cambridge]

    Luke 4:33
    and he cried out (1770, 1777, 1795 Oxford) [1762, 1768, 1769 Cambridge] {1760, 1763 London} (1843 ABS)
    and cried out (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [DKJB]

    Luke 5:17
    Judea (1758, 1762, 1769, 1770, 1774, 1777, 1788, 1792, 1795, 1798, 1804 Oxford) [1637, 1768, 1769, 1790, 1795, 1817, 1824, 1833, 1837, 1844, 1873, 2005 Cambridge] {1711, 1760, 1763, 1817, 1824 London} (1793 Edinburgh) (1782 American) (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)
    Judaea (SRB Oxford, SSB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [DKJB]

    Luke 7:20
    John the Baptist (1853 ABS)
    John Baptist (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) (1843, 1894 ABS)

    Luke 7:32
    market place {1611, 1763 London}
    market-place (1758, 1762, 1774, 1777, 1788 Oxford) [1637, 1768, 1769, 1817, 1824, 2005 Cambridge] {1711, 1760 London} (1782 American)
    marketplace (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, SSB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [1790, 1795, 1844, 1869, 1887 Cambridge, CSTE, DKJB] (1853, 1894 ABS)

    Luke 7:34
    sinners. (1758, 1762, 1774, 1777, 1788 Oxford) [1637, 1768, 1769, 1795, 2005 Cambridge] {1611, 1711, 1760, 1763 London} (1782 American)
    sinners! (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [1790, 1817, 1824, 1844, 1869, 1887 Cambridge, CSTE, DKJB] (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)

    Luke 7:37
    Jesus (1758, 1762, 1774, 1777 Oxford) [1637, 1768, 1769 Cambridge] {1611, 1711, 1760, 1763 London} (1782 American)
    Jesus (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, SSB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [1790, 1795, 1817, 1824, 1844, 1869, 1873, 1887 Cambridge, CSTE, DKJB] (1793 Edinburgh) (1853 ABS)

    Luke 7:38
    him (1758, 1774, 1777 Oxford) [1637, 1768, 1769 Cambridge] {1611, 1711, 1760, 1763 London} (1782 American)
    him (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, SSB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [1790, 1795, 1817, 1824, 1844, 1869, 1873, 1887 Cambridge, CSTE, DKJB] (1793 Edinburgh) (1853 ABS)

    Luke 7:46
    Mine head (1758, 1774, 1777 Oxford) [1817, 1873 Cambridge] {1611, 1760, 1763 London} (1782 American)
    My head (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [1768, 1769, 2005 Cambridge, DKJB]

    Luke 9:61
    at home at my house [1873 Cambridge]
    at home at my house (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic)

    Luke 10:6
    Son of peace (1769, 1795 Oxford) [1768, 1769, 1790, 1824 Cambridge]
    son of peace (1758, 1774 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [1637, 1817, 1833, 1873, 2005 Cambridge, DKJB] {1611, 1760, 1763 London} (1793 Edinburgh) (1782 American) (1853, 1894 ABS)

    Luke 11:16
    other [1637 Cambridge] {1611 London}
    others (1758, 1774, 1777 Oxford) [1768, 1769, 1790 Cambridge] {1760 London} (1782 American) (1843 ABS)
    other, [1873 Cambridge]
    others, (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [1817, 2005 Cambridge, DKJB] {1763, 1838 London} (1793 Edinburgh) (1853, 1894 ABS)

    Luke 11:27
    lift (1758, 1774 Oxford) [1637, 1817, 1873 Cambridge] {1611 London} (1782 American)
    lifted (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [1769, 2005 Cambridge, DKJB] {1760, 1763 London} (1793 Edinburgh)

    Luke 11:32 [see or compare Matthew 12:41]
    nineveh (1758 Oxford)
    Nineveh (1792, 1795, 1798, 1810 Oxford) [1817, 1873, 2005 Cambridge] {1711 London} (1782 American) (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)
    Nineve (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, SSB Oxford, Oxford Classic)

    Luke 12:21
    towards (1758, 1774, 1777, 1795 Oxford) [1637, 1762, 1768, 1769, 1817, 1873, 2005 Cambridge] {1611, 1760, 1763 London} (1782 American)
    toward (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [DKJB]

    Luke 13:22
    towards (1758, 1774, 1777, 1788, 1795 Oxford) [1637, 1762, 1768, 1769, 1817, 1873, 2005 Cambridge] {1611, 1760, 1763 London} (1782 American)
    toward (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [DKJB]

    Luke 14:4
    let him go (1758, 1774 Oxford) [1768, 1769, 1873 Cambridge] {1760, 1763 London} (1782 American)
    let him go (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [DKJB]

    Luke 14:35
    dunghil (1758, 1769, 1774, 1795 Oxford) [1768, 1769, 1790 Cambridge]
    dunghill (1777 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [DKJB] {1763 London}

    Luke 16:23
    lifted (1769, 1770, 1777, 1788, 1792, 1795, 1804 Oxford) [1769, 1790, 1795, 1824, 2005 Cambridge] {1760, 1763 London} (1793 Edinburgh) (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)
    lift (SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [DKJB] {1611 London}

    Luke 16:26
    besides (1758, 1774, 1777 Oxford) [1637, 1768, 1769, 1873, 2005 Cambridge] {1611, 1760, 1763 London} (1793 Edinburgh) (1782 American) (1843 ABS)
    beside (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [1790 Cambridge, DKJB]

    Luke 17:26 [see Hebrews 11:7]
    Noah (1853 ABS)
    Noe (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [1769 Cambridge]

    Luke 17:27 [same as Luke 17:29 where them is in italics]
    them all [1873 Cambridge]
    them all (SRB Oxford, SSB Oxford, Oxford Classic, NPB Oxford) [1769 Cambridge]

    Luke 19:2
    Zaccheus (1758, 1762, 1769, 1770, 1774, 1777, 1788, 1792, 1795, 1798, 1804 Oxford) [1637, 1768, 1769, 1790, 1795, 1817, 1824, 1833, 1837, 1844, 1873 Cambridge] {1611, 1711, 1760, 1763, 1817, 1824 London} (1793 Edinburgh) (1782 American) (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)
    Zacchaeus (SRB Oxford, SSB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [DKJB]

    Luke 19:4
    sycamore (1769, 1774, 1777, 1788, 1792, 1795, 1798, 1804, 1810, 1812 Oxford) [1790, 1795, 1817, 1824, 1837, 2005 Cambridge] {1760, 1817, 1824, 1838 London} (1793 Edinburgh) (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)
    sycomore (SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [1769 Cambridge, CSTE, DKJB]

    Luke 23:32
    two other malefactors (1758, 1762, 1769, 1770, 1774, 1777, 1788, 1795, 1804, 1810, 1812 Oxford) [1768, 1769, 1790, 1795, 1824 Cambridge] {1611, 1711, 1760, 1763, 1824 London} (1782 American)
    two others, malefactors (NPB Oxford) [1817, 2005 Cambridge] (1793 Edinburgh) (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)
    two other, malefactors (SRB Oxford, SSB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [1833, 1837, 1844, 1869, 1873, 1887 Cambridge, CSTE, DKJB] {1817 London}

    Luke 24:29
    towards (1758, 1762, 1770, 1774, 1777, 1788, 1804 Oxford) [1637, 1762, 1768, 1769, 1873, 2005 Cambridge] {1611, 1711, 1760, 1763 London} (1782 American)
    toward (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [DKJB]
     
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    Are you sure that doctrinal considerations were behind none of the changes? I have read where some Bible scholars pointed out that the KJV rendering in KJV editions of their day at Luke 23:32 implied that Jesus was another malefactor or evildoer being led with "two other malefactors." Thus, the later variations in KJV editions could be considered "doctrinal" changes intended to prevent a misunderstanding. The 1560 Geneva Bible stated clearly: "And there were two others, which were evil doers, led with him to be slain" at Luke 23:32.


    Luke 23:32
    two other malefactors (1758, 1762, 1769, 1770, 1774, 1777, 1788, 1795, 1804, 1810, 1812 Oxford) [1768, 1769, 1790, 1795, 1824 Cambridge] {1611, 1711, 1760, 1763, 1824 London} (1782 American)
    two others, malefactors (NPB Oxford) [1817, 2005 Cambridge] (1793 Edinburgh) (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)
    two other, malefactors (SRB Oxford, SSB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [1833, 1837, 1844, 1869, 1873, 1887 Cambridge, CSTE, DKJB] {1817 London}
     
    #25 Logos1560, Dec 18, 2009
  6. Harold Garvey

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    Ok, so a purpose has a direction. so far I've seen minute variations in text. If this thread has a direction it is spinning its wheels and hasn't gone an inch as of yet.
     
    #26 Harold Garvey, Dec 18, 2009
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    #27 Harold Garvey, Dec 18, 2009
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    Doesn't matter. If anyone were to cite doctrinal differences between KJV editions, your past actions dictate that you would deny them to be doctrinal differences, and/or accuse the poster of attacking the KJV.

    And still, you don't think "meat offering" is a doctrinal issue, especially given your claim that animal flesh is part of a "meat offering".
     
    #28 Johnv, Dec 19, 2009
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    But wow, some doctrines HAVE been changed since the 1611 AV.


    And God hath set some in the Church, first Apostles, secondarily Prophets, thirdly Teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helpes in gouernmets, diuersities of tongues


    So the 1611 gives 7 gifts BUT by the 1850 revision they correct it to 8 gifts. QUICK! Change the sermon outline!! That is a MAJOR difference thankfully corrected from the "perfect" 1611

    And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues
     
    #29 Dr. Bob, Dec 19, 2009
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    Oh yeah, the 1850 version gives a government run church. THE KJV Shows we need church trained helpers in government. Obama would be proud of you!
     
    #30 Harold Garvey, Dec 19, 2009
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    Ah, not sure if "Dancer" is one of Santa's reindeer, but let's stick with the point. Which is the correct translation of this DOCTRINAL issue? AV1611 or KJV1769
     
    #31 Dr. Bob, Dec 19, 2009
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