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Yelsew,

I think he was curious about your belief system (as am I), and he wanted to see what Christian leaders you follow in fellowship. But apparently you don't follow leaders:

"I have over 50 years of reading the Holy Bible, at least 19 different versions, and I do not need the thoughts and ideas of someone else who is just like me, who is in the same boat that I am, to tell me whether or not I am reading the bible correctly. I have read bits of some commentaries only to find the author completely off base with what the scripture actually says..."


I believe it is Biblical to say that all children of God are called to heed the advice (including theological teachings) of Christian brothers and sisters and leaders:

The way of a fool seems right to him, but a wise man listens to advice. (Proverbs 12:15)

Listen to advice and accept instruction, and in the end you will be wise. (Proverbs 19:20)

 

NOT MY STATEMENT! My statement is that ATONEMENT DOES NOT REQUIRE MAN's BELIEF, It is an ACT of GOD on man's behalf. Man does not even need to know about it in order to have the FAITH that SAVES!

 

Then you do it!

 

Yelsew,
Thank you for taking the time to repsond to my post. I was just curious and interested in understanding whose your source, you or a commentary, that's all.

MA

 

Yeslew,
I need to ask another question if you do not mind. Are you a regular attender of a church? If so, do you and your pastor/elders get along theologically? If not, okay.

 

Hi Brother Joe;

A work of faith is that which someone does in faith. Faith it self is not a work. There is no definition in either verse.
May God Bless You;
Mike

 

If you think that the payment for sins is your ticket to heaven, YOU AIN't Got a PRAYER of Gettin' there.

Atonement does not save! It is never stated as being what saves. But it does remove the penalty, which is death, for sinning from the sinner, so that (john 3;16)"...whosoever believeth in HIM, shall have everlasting life". Then Jesus continues in vs 18, "Whoever believes is NOT JUDGED, but whoever believeth NOT is judged already by his unbelief".

So you see, my friend, it is FAITH that SAVES, not the atonement which makes everlasting life a possibility for man, and NOT GRACE which is given to ALL men equally!

If Grace saves then ALL men are saved! And there is no need for Atonement! And Absolutely no need of FAITH!

My faith is in Jesus the Christ, the Atoner, the Savior, the Son of God! It is my FAITH through which I am SAVED!

 

Generally Yes to all questions. However there are exceptions! But they are coming around!

 

After re reading you post BrotherJoe, this needs a response too:

I think I answered this but, whether or not one believes that something happened that was done for them, it still happened. Atonement for sins does not require one's belief in it for it to be effective for the one. Every man's sins have been paid for...period. Man then has no excuse for not having faith. That is why when one does not have faith he is cast into the lake of fire (Rev 20:15). One is not judged upon the basis of sin, but upon the basis of FAITH ALONE!

 

Yelsew,
Do you mean coming around to your position or to your elders position?

 

Yelsew,

I guess all I can gather from what you wrote above is that there are people in hell who had their sins atoned for?

"But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin."
(Romans 14:23)

Everything that does not come from faith is sin, therefore people who do not have faith sin. People are judged for sin. And sin is defined as lawlessnes.

"All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law." (Romans 2:12)

 

who is in the same boat that I am,

Perhaps this person has not yet sinned, and therefore they are 'very good' and should be heeded.

After all, they weren't born sinners were they?

Bro. Dallas

 

To the Biblical position!

 

If you think the writers of commentaries have not sinned, then you are truly deceived. That is after all what started this line of thinking.

 

BrotherJoe,

What is salvation?
What is one saved from?
What is one saved to?
How is Salvation secured?
Who are "his Elect"?
Why salvation for only "an elect"?

How does one save sinners if not by paying the penalty for their sins? Who are sinners? Romans 3:23 "for ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God" So the Christ came to save "ALL", none are exempted none are overlooked! The Atonement provided by Christ Jesus is a ONCE-4-ALL atonement for ALL sins in ALL times!

OK BrotherJoe, who do you say are "the lost"?

Who was "under the Law"? What Law? There is only one people under the law and that people is the Jews, for there is only one law spoken of in the Bible and that is the Mosaic Law. The Mosaic Laws were not universal the world over, but applied only to one race of humans.

Again, what better way to save "his people from their sins", than to take the penalty in their stead.

Boy I appreciate that confirmation. But Did Jesus save us from our sins? If yes, why do believers or "the elect" continue to sin? They continue to sin because the sins themselves were not taken away by Jesus, but the Penalty of sin was taken away. So the Atonement provided by Jesus was 100% successful. Mission accomplished.

So, BrotherJoe, with the penalty of sin paid ONCE-4-ALL, sins are no longer a factor in the Salvation equation! That leaves works and faith as the only other factors. But Scriptures rule out Works, leaving FAITH ALONE and the only factor in Salvation! Don't you agree?

Saved through FAITH,

Brother Yelsew2

 

BrotherJoe,

Where in my post did I say that faith in the Gospel saves any one? Quote me accurately or don't quote me at all BrotherJoe. and Do NOT credit me with something I did not say!