Obama Confirms Relationship With Marxist Mentor

Congrats, Revmitchell: you continue to demonstrate that you have no understanding of either term. As a matter of fact, it is clear that you didn't even understand the information at the link you provided.

This is a gross misrepresentation of what actually occurred, and, quite bluntly, beneath you. I guess I expected more from you.

Easy answer: Obama is not a communist, or at least is not espousing communism. Communism glorifies a classless and egalitarian society. I have never read anything where Obama is advocating the end of private ownership, which of course would be the groundwork for communism.

Also, with respect to Marxism, Karl Marx extolled the process of ending capitalism. I have never seen Obama espouse such an idea.

This link you have provided on more than one occasion is not really a policy guide as much as it is a dissertation on what the authors perceive as the root causes of all the social ills in our country. Have you even bothered reading this, or did you simply obtain it from a google search?

From YOUR link (down under the heading "Summary"):

Again, I have never heard Obama talk about eliminating "the exploitative system of captialism."

I would think that, by now, you would have actually developed an understanding of at least one of these terms.......

 

I didn't think so.

To acknowledge she's telling the truth would brand media matters as the democrat shill you so vehemently deny they are.
To say she's lying would mean..., well..., she's a liar. and you can't have that.
So you take the coward's way out and say you "don' know". How original.

You must be a liberal.

But I'm tired of your angry outbursts and childish name calling.

I thought , just maybe, you could approach a subject without you usual petulance.

Guess not.

 

Agreed, but there are plenty of people who, during their youth, explore different political views, such as communism. That doesn't mean they end up agreeing with what they are taught.

 

Correct. But as Carpro has pointed out BHO's proposed policies indicate that he did indeed embrace the socialist/communist teachings of his associates.

 

How are his policies different than the American-brand of liberalism that has been advocated in the United States for decades?

 

There is not much difference. However, he is espousing more of the ones that I disagree with and way more radical left than any other current candidate.

 

I imagine there are minor party/independent candidates way, way more radical left than either Senator McCain or Senator Obama.

 

If Senator McCain should happen to win on November 4 I think that conservatives will end up being chagrined as to how radical a President McCain would be.

 

I guess this is similar to the way that George Bush never came out in favor of totalitarianism of fascism. Right? But he certainly did practice it along with a corrupted form of what he called "christianity."

 

The funny thing is that I am currently reading Vol. 1 of Winston S. Churchill's The Second World War: The Gathering Storm. Today I read:

A chill ran up my spine when I read those words...

 

Wrong. You really don't know when to quit. While it may be the groundwork in some cases, to state that unequivocally shows a complete and total lack of understanding.

Look no further than Western Europe. Many of those countries are very socialistic, yet they are not communist. While it could be used as a means to an end, to say this outright is laughable.

This quote does not support the contention you make in the previous sentence. Marx is clearly touting socialism as a means to an end, or as he puts it: "a transitional period."

Again, you are demonstrating a complete and total lack of understanding of the words you are throwing into the discussion. To claim that we see "communism is his policies" is either a blatant attempt to misrepresent what Obama is saying, or woeful ignorance. I have watched you post these disparaging remarks about Obama that have absolutely no basis in fact. Not surprising, as you clearly do not comprehend the difference between socialism and communism, evidenced by the way you use them so interchangeably. I have issued a direct challenge to you to show us where Obama has invoked any tenets of communism, and you have conveniently failed to offer anything he is extolling in terms of communism. Even here, the evidence is simply that you said so. I cannot believe that you would be so brazen in your foolishness.

The latter part of this paragraph is nothing more than the bumper sticker slogans that we hear ad nauseum on the big "conservative" talk shows. The tax rates that are currently in place here in the US are among the lowest in the industrialized world. The tax rates proposed by Obama still don't compare to the rates back in the '50's. Despite that fact, you somehow believe that this is punishment. This is laughable: do you think that these people could have made the money they have in any other country on Earth? I am willing to bet that I am in a higher tax bracket that you are, and I see it as the price of admission. I am thankful that I was blessed by God to be born in this country, and don't mind paying more since I have been successful professionally.

Besides, as someone who supports the invasion of Iraq, I would think that you, of all people, would think that we need more funds to continue in Iraq. It would make more sense than continuing to borrow the money and give the bill to future generations.

Looks to me like you simply found it on a google search. The fact that you have offered it on more than one occasion proves that you either:
a) didn't bother to read the information at the link
or
b) have attempted to read it and cannot seem to grasp it.

This is yet another talking point I have heard on Rush Limbaugh's radio show. I find it so humorous that so many of his talking points show up on the board, despite many people claiming that they don't listen to him. You have simply made the statement based on nothing more than that you said so. If "very few in this country actually work for minimum wage," then I guess it really doesn't help that many to raise it.

Again, this shows a complete lack of understanding

This is hilarious, and I have been laughing at this for a while now. These are the names that are thrown out by Sean Hannity. I am sure that this is merely coincidental. Notice that you didn't provide anything for such a contention. You have thrown out all these names but offer nothing in the way of proof. This is not unlike Senator McCarthy. Much like him, you throw out people who are associated with him, but cannot give any proof that he is a "communist."

If that is the case, then why didn't you provide a single piece of evidence for your contention? You haven't offered anything to support such a claim. I have challenged you to do it, and you still haven't offered anything.

Hmmmmm........

 

Fascism—is a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition. 2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control. Source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

Totalitarianism is defined as:

• The practices and principles of a totalitarian regime.
• Absolute control by the state or a governing branch of a high centralized institution.
• The character or quality of an autocratic or authoritarian individual, group, or government: the totalitarianism of the father. Source: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/totalitarianism

Perhaps you’d like to open a new thread to address this red herring issue because it has nothing to do with BHO’s self admission that he was mentored by a known member of the Communist Party, and in doing so you could point out exactly how President Bush’s administration fits the above two definitions (with evidence and sources please).

 

That is a blatant misrepresentation of what you have offered, and you know it. Even the most casual observer knows that you haven't produced anything said by Obama that would indicate that he is a communist. I would imagine that you would grow tired of looking so foolish.

And by the way, anyone who listens to either Limbaugh or Hannity knows that what I have said is true. And to once again usurp Hannity, you simply cannot compete in the arena of ideas. In other words, you are out of your league.

So please dispense with this foolishness and give us something in terms of proof for such a contention. Give us something that Obama has offered that would indicate that he is a communist. <edited-LE>

 

Would BHO's support for socialized healthcare and redistribution of wealth by imposing "windfall profits tax on big oil" and giving everyone $1,000.00 satisfy your request?

 

These are not communist ideals. While they may be socialist at most, they are not communist ideals.