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Obama: I'm Not a Muslim!

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Ivon Denosovich, Jan 24, 2008.

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  1. Ivon Denosovich

    Ivon Denosovich New Member

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    If that's your druthers, so be it. I fail to see how anyone without a proper relationship with God can truly be said to have a compass. To each his own. I could vote for an atheist just like I could vote for a member of the Amish community. I look solely at a person's stance on the issues when voting, not their personal faith.

    I believe I addressed it here:


    But since you ignored the point the first time, I don't have high hopes you'll address this go-around.

    <hijack>

    Who's gonna win the Super Bowl, carpro?

    </hijack>
     
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  2. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member
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    Quote:
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    An athiest would be off limits for me.

    They lack a compass and don't understand they are not in control.






    Pity.



    Quote:Carpro
    What is "personal" sin?

    That's some of those false assumptions I mentioned.

    What "personal" sins would I want legal for myself that I would want illegal for others? I'm assuming you'll have a pretty long list here. :)


    If not, just list some "personal" sins. This sub-categorization of sins interests me.

    Guess you are wrong again, Ivon.




    I don't care who wins. I don't have a dog in the fight.
     
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  3. Ivon Denosovich

    Ivon Denosovich New Member

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    Okay. Let's cut to the chase with a few Yes/No questions.

    1) Should you have the right to destroy your body with obesity?

    2) Should your neighbor have the right to destroy his body with drugs?
     
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  4. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member
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    Where's your list of "personal' sins that I would want illegal for others and legal for me?

    Is obesity one of those "personal" sins I'd want to be legal for me but illegal for others, or vice versa?

    Is taking drugs something that I want legal for me and illegal for others, or vice versa?

    Where are you going with this line of mistaken assumptions? :confused:

    Will the list be shorter than I thought?
     
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  5. Ivon Denosovich

    Ivon Denosovich New Member

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    Nice attempt at bait and switch. I defined personal sins. ("That which an individual choses to subject himself to while respecting the rights of others to abstain") You pretended not to understand. Then, I made this statement, "whereas you want SOME personal sins to be legal (yours no doubt) while banning OTHER personal sins," to which your response is something akin to If-I-do-it-I-won't-complain-if-you-do-it-too, which of course, is completely the point I'm taking you to task for. I'm not accusing you of denying others a pass for the sins you engage in. I'm accusing you of unfairly punishing (in theory) those who engage in personal sins different than yours. That you would exempt someone from legal penalities involved in the personal sins of your choice is part of my complaint about your Pharisaical approach to "morality".
     
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    carpro Well-Known Member
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    Uh huh.

    Then you shouldn't have any trouble at all naming the "personal" sins I'd want legal for me and illegal for others.

    It is you that made assumptions and an accusation.

    So let's have that list.

    Or an apology for making those mistaken assumptions in the first place.

    You wrote:

    " ...you want SOME personal sins to be legal (yours no doubt) while banning OTHER personal sins." You had to have had something in mind when you made that statement. Either that or it was just a mindless comment.

    It's put up or shut up time. :thumbs: I can hardly wait.:)
     
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  7. Ivon Denosovich

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    Did you read my definition of personal sins? If so, you'll note the qualifier is who-is-sinning, not what sin is being committed.

    carpro, please answer "Yes" or "No" to:

    1) If you commit gluttony should you be sent to jail?

    2) If your neighbor does drugs should he be sent to jail?


    It's time for you to develop the integrity and decency to leave people alone who aren't bothering you which is the EXACT SAME standard you demand of others.
     
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    Oh, come on..
    We all are one issue voters to some point...

    If a person said that it is alright to lynch blacks... would you vote for him?
    If a person said it was OK to abuse dogs... would you vote for him?
    If a person said that a woman's place was to in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant... would you vote for him

    If a person said that the blacks should never had been freed.. would you vote for him?

    If a person said that all elderly should be killed when they reach 70 because they are a burden to society would you vote for him?
    If a person said that it is OK to murder 6 month olds? would you vote for him?


    I don't think you would, and if you could under any of the above, you have problems...


    Now why would you say it is OK to vote for someone who wants to keep abortion legal?

    Abortion kills babies...
    What human being doesn't see this...
    And for a man or woman to run for presidency that doesn't believe this... well they are ignorant

    And anyone that votes for them will answer to God for the murder of the innocent...


    A person that doesn't care for life doesn't have the ability to serve the nation...as president
     
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  9. carpro

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    Still running backwards, I see.

    You wrote:

    " ...you want SOME personal sins to be legal (yours no doubt) while banning OTHER personal sins."

    You had to have had something in mind when you made that statement. Either that or it was just a mindless comment.

    Which was it?
     
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  10. bunnytoes

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    Obama radicals trying to wipe criticism off the net


    Obama hate groups/radicals are invading the discussion boards trying to refute the true facts. They are trying to wipe out all criticism of Obama. Their tactics are to invade in mass under multiple names with "Obama letters", muddy the waters with irrelevelant facts and discussions. They are vicious and resort to name calling and false information. I ask you to just study the facts that I have presented. Study the links. Educate yourself.


    http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.htm
    http://www.usvetdsp.com/dec06/obama_muslim.htm
    http://www.examiner.com/a-534540~Can_a_past_of_Islam_change_the_path_to_president_for_Obama_.html
     
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  11. Ivon Denosovich

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    carpro, this is my last attempt to communicate with you in this thread so pay attention. What I, precisely, had in mind with that comment was your flagrant, arrogant, socially conservative self-righteousness. My complaint is NOT that you deny a legal pass to those engaged in the sins of your choice. My complaint is that you would deny a pass to others engaged in personal sins* different from those of your own. This is what I meant when I stated:

    Our conversation reminds me of Christ's teaching on the Pharisee who thanked God he wasn't like the publican because his sin(s) were different. Keep thanking God, carpro, that you aren't involved in all the things liberals do that deserve to be legally penalized. Maybe you'll get the divine vote of confidence you seek.

    Until other threads (and hopefully more pleasant conversations),
    Take care, friend.









    *Sins which an individual choses to subject himself to while respecting the rights of others to abstain.
     
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  12. steaver

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    WOW!

    Excellent point!

    The list you gave is so UNACCEPTABLE even to most non-Christians.

    Now why are Christians being so appathetic to those little children being ripped apart until dead?

    Why? What is wrong with your heart that the murder of a little child has become an "issue" to be considered but not to disqualify? Why?

    VERY SAD INDEED!

    SHAMEFUL!

    REPENT MY DEAR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST!

    Pray God to soften your hearts people. To become one with the mind of Christ. Satan has gotten a foot in the door of your hearts. Cast the devil out!

    God Bless! :thumbs:
     
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  13. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member
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    Treading water is a specialty of yours. You jump in and find out quickly that you are in over your head and have to start treading water.

    You make statements you can't back up and assumptions with no basis in fact. When that doesn't work, you try to obscure your weak position with personal insults.

    When that still doesn't cover your mistakes, you throw out a gratuitous reference to Christ and disengage with your tail tucked between your legs, having picked a fight you couldn't finish and calling me friend when you obviously don't mean it.

    You've already done enough name calling with insults attached to let us all know where your heart is. It wasn't necessary to bold "friend" to let us know you were being insincere.

    Good day to you, too.:)
     
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  14. scripturesearcher

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    All have sinned, carpro.

    All Christians sin.

    He, although I cannot speak for him, probably means anything Christ/Paul/James, etc., preached against that you have not removed from your personal life.

    Do you think you should be put in jail because you do these things?
     
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    He comes out of nowhere. He is articulate and charismatic. He promises great things- without specifying how or what. Americans hang on every word. Americans follow in droves. Americans do not question. They do not investigate his history or who his backers and his/their agenda is.
    Anyone who dares to speak up is shouted down with RACIST! BIGOT!
    He admits in his books his disdain for the white race. He expresses his love for Islam- and still Americans do not listen.
    Some of us learn the truth. We seek to share it, but our posts are deleted and we are banned- yet there are those who can trash our president and vice president and trash America with impunity!
    Very, very frightening.
    I urge all readers, go and INVESTIGATE:

    http://www.examiner.com/a-534540~Can...or_Obama_.html

    http://www.examiner.com/a-536474~_Tr...o_worlds_.html

    http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.htm
     
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  16. KenH

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    Bunnytoes, are you a racist and a bigot? Just answer honestly.
     
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    You're asking for an honest answer? Do you honestly think that's coming?
     
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  18. KenH

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    I try to be optimistic. :)
     
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  19. TomVols

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    Me too, but I also try to be realistic :laugh:
     
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