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I like Psalms 139:13-16 - "For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb. I will praise thee; for I am fearfully [and] wonderfully made: marvellous [are] thy works; and [that] my soul knoweth right well. My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, [and] curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all [my members] were written, [which] in continuance were fashioned, when [as yet there was] none of them."

It is such beautiful and meaningful poetry that reveals God's truth.

 

And perfectly describes the promise of a life's purpose.

 

But it is the breath of God that makes one alive...

Ge 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

I'm not arguing if a fetus is human or not, that is above my pay grade...

I just believe life begins at ones first breath (when God breathes in our nostrils) and the ghost leaves the body in your last breath (death).

 

The first man was not created in the womb of a woman.

The "breath of the Almighty" that gives us life does not mean God's "breath" is as human breathing of air that facilitates extracting oxygen from it because He is not so limited and while in the womb a child does not need such breathing to remain very much alive.

 

His life still began with his first breath.

This is your view and I can respect it though I disagree. I believe one is born into life (or made, Adam and Eve) which begins at first breath. The are many other things I can relate or call a fetus, alive is not one of them. Has to do with the dependency of the umbilical cord to maintain existence.

 

The umbilical cord connects two living human beings. The fact that one isn't breathing outside air on their own doesn't make that one any less alive. The child in the womb "breathes" through the umbilical cord because the mother breathes with her lungs and they both breathe because God made them and gave them life from the moment on their conception. The process is a part of God's wonderful design. He doesn't just step in and take over at the last minute. He's involved at the beginning of life, throughout it all, and at the ending of it. He is the creator of life and all the processes by which it comes about. He has a purpose of every life He creates.

It's really very simple albeit wonderful beyond comprehension - we only try to rationalize it into complexity and turn it into the sole product of human creation and design. We do that, as man often does, because we want to justify our decisions over God's by claiming a child in the womb is not yet alive and therefore not yet human until in sucks in outside air on its own. We want to be in control of this because we don't like it that God is in control. It goes right back to the original sin.

 

Look what Satan has done to Christianity...

Wolves over babies!
Babies in the womb are not alive!

If this is what Obama supporters believe, God have mercy on this country if BO is elected!

Many will stand before God... Oh never mind... Satan has some of you so blinded, it doesn't matter!

God help your unbelief...
May God have mercy on your murderous souls.

 

I said I can respect your view but I still believe you're wrong.

A fetus doesn't breathe as you say. The rest of that is as much opinion as you saying a fetus breathes.

I showed you scripture that says life begins with breath of life. You can discard scripture all you want but I don't suggest using God in the denial.

Correct, you are trying to rationalize it with complexity but my biblical view is simple and strait forward. Life begins with your first breath and ends with your last. I don't think that's so hard. It is surely supported by scripture.

This is an unfair statement, I didn't say anything about being human. In fact, I specifically joked that question is above my pay grade. I am only speaking about life.

Now let me say this before you respond, I don't believe in abortion. I would not have one or would I ever give anyone the advice to get one. My sole point in this thread was to express my view that life begins with first breath. This is what I find in scripture. That's all I was saying. Again, there are many things you can call a fetus to include human which I won't argue with you. Alive is not one I would use.

 

My beliefs have nothing to do with Obama. I showed scripture saying life begins with breath. It is called, "The Breath of Life". That is when man becomes a living soul.

I don't know why I should be credited to Satan for quoting scripture. That is kind of harsh.

We also need God's mercy for more than if Obama gets elected. He has shown us mercy to this day and His mercy will take me home. I wished deciding when life begins was our only problem. But unfortunately, life just isn't that simple where I live.

 

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Was there life in John the Baptist when he lept in his mother's womb?

 

Then why does striking a woman so that she miscarries carry the penalty of death? Your view makes no sense in light of Scripture.

As a pastor, it shouldn't be.

Not sure if you are aware of this, but God doesn't breathe into our nostrils. Breathe is the natural function.

But babies in the womb are receiving oxygen through the mother. They cannot survive without it. They simply get it from another source.

 

A human in the womb does "breathe" - not in the sense of taking in air through its lungs - by in taking in oxygen through fluid exchange with the mother who does breathe. Likewise it exchanges waste with the mother who must expel it. That human in the womb is alive in body and spirit.

How is that John the Baptist could leap with joy over the coming of Christ Jesus while he was still in his mother's womb? Was he just a smart fetus - a sort of semi-human? John the Baptist had not yet breathed by his own lungs. Is this some of the scripture you want to discard?

How is that a person can be revived after they've stopped breathing for a while? Surely if breathing were the only requirement then we would indeed have people who were physically born again as full grown humans instead of just being revived.

Human life is distinguished by having a spirit as well as a body. It is God that gives us both. This is exactly what the scripture in Psalms is about.

 

Unfortunately, biblical arguments never sway "Christians" who support the killing of babies...

or they never would never have supported it in the first place.

 

No. :thumbs:

 

Does the Holy Spirit make a habit of possessing bodies that aren't alive ? Your answer is the saddest thing I have ever seen you post.

 

You have a good point here. The reasoning behind this law had to do with potentially killing the Messiah. Every man had hopes the Messiah wold come via their blood like so you could be killing the Messiah.

However if you look closely at the law, it separates a child fully formed from a child in early stages. If the bible advocated live begins at conception, why a different punishment for a fully formed child that if the child is in its early stages of development.

I am a humble servant of the most High God and don't pretend to have all the answers. I know only what he has revealed to me and the answer to that question has to be revealed.

If it were natural, why do we have still borns? I agree he doesn't physically stretch his neck from heaven and put his lips on ours, but he causes that which you call the "natural function" to take place. It is he that gives life and he that takes life away.

I have no problem with this. This means they do not subsist which is another part of being born into life.

 

Thanks for the Love Bro. Curtis...


As I said, there are many other things I will agree and call a fetus in the womb. I just don't believe they're alive. I believe life begins at first breath and ends with your last breath (give up the ghost).

So if we give up the ghost at death, the question is when does one get the ghost. My answer is at birth. I respect you have another view and won't lower myself to insulting you because your view differs from mine.

 

What? How can you believe this way?

Luke 1:39-45 - "And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda; And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth. And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord."

Is "joy" not an emotion of a human being? Was not true "joy" for John the Baptist, while still in the womb, the knowledge that the saviour was coming?

Further, was the Lord Jesus Christ a mere fetus when in Mary's womb or was He not already the God Man?

 

I can't believe it.