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"Obama will be tested".....Biden

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Bro. Curtis, Oct 20, 2008.

  1. Bro. Curtis

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    ABC News' Matthew Jaffe Reports: Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., on Sunday guaranteed that if elected, Sen. Barack Obama., D-Ill., will be tested by an international crisis within his first six months in power and he will need supporters to stand by him as he makes tough, and possibly unpopular, decisions.

    "Mark my words," the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. "It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."

    "I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate," Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. "And he's gonna need help. And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you - not financially to help him - we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right."....


    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/biden-to-suppor.html

    He's a real smart guy, eh ?
     
  2. LeBuick

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    They've had him strictly on a script lately so it surprises me they let him speak his mind. He held true to his reputation, he's a gaff machine.
     
  3. carpro

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    Speaks well of Obama's judgement, doesn't it?

    And Biden is supposed to enhance Obam's non existent foreign policy resume?:laugh:
     
  4. LeBuick

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    Speaks some to his judgment but VP picks didn't prove outstanding for either camp.
     
  5. windcatcher

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    'a generated crisis' huh? Like a plan? Like an agenda? Like a (dare I say the bad 'c' word?) .....like a CONSPIRACY

    No! Can't be!:tonofbricks:
     
  6. LeBuick

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    No, like a test which is exactly what he said.
     
  7. windcatcher

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    Did he say 'a generated crisis? or am I delusional?
     
  8. Enoch

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    Yet another reason for the blind to wake up to reality. I thought Obama was the only “One” who could unite the world? Yet Biden speaks assuredly of an attack because Obama is weak. What a joke, “For a good laugh, Vote Obama/Biden”. :laugh:
     
  9. Enoch

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    Windcatcher you are correct he said, "generated".
     
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    If you mean to be compared with John F. Kennedy yes it does speak well of him. Besides, I would expect that either candidate would be tested soon because of the failed policies of George Bush.
     
  11. Enoch

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    As a friendly reminder those "failed policies" have kept you and your family safe since 9/11. You can rest peacefully at night while others fight for you!

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    No this speaks to more than just his judgment. It says it is clear he is inexperienced and that is how Biden sees him. It is clear that the world and especially our enemies see Obama as inexperienced and worth tryng. In this financial crisis we do not need to have our enemies see us as weak. And this is how the world sees Obama. Which is supported by all the endorsements made by Iran and other enemies around the world. During the primaries Biden said about Obama "The Presidency is no time for on the job training". It is clear he still sees Obama in this way as does the world.
     
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    Foreign governments test every new president. It is all part of the international political game. Each country is out for their own best interest and the testing of a new president is simply part of finding out what they can or cannot get away with. If you remember, and many of you are not old enough, Kennedy came out on the short end of the stick in his first meeting with Khrushchev. This was not long after the Bay of Pigs disaster. Because Khrushchev came to believe that Kennedy was a weakling he made the mistake of underestimating Kennedy's resolve and this led to the Cuban Missile Crisis.

    If McCain is elected he will be tested also. The test may be different, but rest assured, he will be tested if elected.
     
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    From the OP source:

    "Because I promise you, you all are gonna be sitting here a year from now going, 'Oh my God, why are they there in the polls? Why is the polling so down? Why is this thing so tough?' We're gonna have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years. So I'm asking you now, I'm asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. "

    So if Biden has all this inside information as to Obama's future decisions why doesn't he share a little more detail so that we can decide if we really want to go there or not?

    Also from the OP source:

    "Because if you think the decision is sound when they're made, which I believe you will when they're made, they're not likely to be as popular as they are sound. Because if they're popular, they're probably not sound."

    Based on this logic we shouldn't elect Obama because he would be the popular and therefore not sound choice.

    More from the OP source:

    "After speaking for just over a quarter of an hour, Biden noticed the media presence in the back of the small ballroom. 'I probably shouldn't have said all this because it dawned on me that the press is here," he joked.' "

    Is Biden brain dead or what? He's out campaiging and it dawns on him that the press is there?

    Frankly the whole thing worries me. Is Biden saying that Obama is looking to use nukes in Afghanistan-Pakistan.? He said as much in the debates.
     
  15. Pastor Larry

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    Funny how this wasn't true when it was Bush making decisions, but when it is Obama it will suddenly be true. This is yet another reason (as if we needed one) not to vote for Obama/Biden. These guys are clueless. This is an admission by Biden that Obama has no experience and he thinks the world will try to take advantage of it. It is a reminder that Biden was right when he opposed Obama, and is a hypocrite now for running on his coattails.
     
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    Funny, G. Bush has no experience with foreigh relations and countries before he took office. Thinking of that now, it certainl showed with the mess he made of things.

    Obama/Biden can do no worse than Bush.
     
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    Bush hasn't made a mess of foreign relations. He, for the most part has done what he should have.
     
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    Everything he has done has been a disaster, starting with his decision when he took office for his first term to not hold joint discussions with the Israelis and the Palestinians. He was forced, by disasterous circumstances to change that policy.

    His neglect of the Afghans has lead to the resurgence of the Talibans and the mess we have there now.

    His entrance into an unjust war has cost the US billions a week, and the good will of most of the world as well as thousands of young Americans lives wasted.

    He has managed to renew the cold war.

    He has caved in to the N. Koreans and declared thay are not a terrorist state.

    His refusal to even talk with Iran has lead to a potential disaster.

    And this is not even to mention the disasters he has brought about for the US in other areas.
     
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  19. Pastor Larry

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    I am not sure that, given the hand he was dealt, he did that bad. In the long term, I think history will look more favorably on Bush than the present does, due to the political partisanship that reigns supreme, even in, or especially in the media who colors the pictures. He has certainly made some mistakes. But interestingly, in avoiding the Israeli/Palestinian issue early on, he may have avoiding the very thing he was condemned for doing in Iraq -- namely, nation building. The reality is that some of you are so biased that he couldn't have won no matter what he did. In all the examples you give, there is no evidence what might have been different given different circumstances. Do you really think that Russia or North Korea or Iran would not have done what they have done under Gore or Kerry? For a long time, many have known that Russia wasn't done 15 years ago. They were going to try to revive their empire and we shouldn't be surprised that it is happening. If anything, Bush's "eagerness" to use force may have in fact delayed the development of nuclear weapons, or the attempted reconstitution of the Soviet Union. While we might not like force and war, we have to admit that the willingness to use it (and not just talk about it) has tremendous persuasive ability. So what would have happened had Bush not gone to war in Iraq? Perhaps Russia is bigger and stronger than they are now, and perhaps Iran already has nuclear weapons, and perhaps North Korea already has them. And for certain, Hussein is still killing his political opponents by the thousands. So I am not sure your arguments make sense or are persuasive to anyone who isn't already predisposed to your conclusion. Over all, I think Bush has been horrible as a president, but not so much for his foreign policy as for his domestic policy.
    Don't kid yourself. They may not, but they certainly can, and given their record of being on the wrong side of things, we shouldn't be surprised if they do.
     
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    Before his first election I was a luke-warm supporter. I really did not care much for either candidate. He has earned my negative view of his presidency. I believe his foreign policy has been a disaster and will be viewed as a disasterous period by history. And I agree, his domestic policies have been disasterours also.

    I sincerely believe he will be treated very poorly by history and will come to be seen as a pathitic figure. This, in my view, is very sad. Of course, I will not live long enough to see if my view is correct. In fact, if historians are correct and it takes at least 100 years to pass before a definitive history can be written none of us on the board now will be alive.
     
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