Obama's church?

I think this is a huge issue, Ken. This guy is Obama's spiritual advisor, according to every major media outlet. He's been going over twenty years. He had his kids baptized in this church. He must support what the guy is saying.

I certainly don't want this kind of "advisor" any where near the Whitehouse.

 

While I have several problems with both these preachers.....

McCain does not attend either church, has not had his children baptized in either church, does not have CNN reporting either preacher listed as his advisor, and niether preacher advocates the kind of hatred & seperatism of races that the subject of the O/P has on record.

The comparison fails, big time.

 

I, personally wouldnt have my family in a church for 2 days, much less 20 years that was teaching a message that I didnt agree with. And I dont think Obama would either.

Do you join the KKK even if you are against racism?

Do you join the US Army if you arent willing to defend our country?

Do you vote Democrat even if you are against gay marriage, abortion and socialism?

Nah, if Obama is a member, then he is well aware of the message that the church teaches, and he approves of his children being taught the same thing.

AJ

 

I think my conclusion is very reasonable and based upon the very clear professions published by the church on their web site including, but not limited to, their 10-point vision.

This - being part of the "membership" and bound to it - makes me doubt Obama would be truly committed to America and to all its citizens without regard to their race. It seems to me he could find himself at odds with America and some of its citizens by virtue of these commitments.

I'm fairly certain if another church made similar commitments to whites - or perhaps even another race - that it would be widely and loudly condemned. I suspect there'd even be a call to classify the church and its leadership as a non-religious organization of racists. No doubt there would be all kinds of public "apology" and distancing from association with it.

To answer your specific question: No, like I said, I've "never liked his politics even one little bit" so I wouldn't be voting for him even if he were a "member in good standing" of my church nor is the opposite true either. Further, I don't find myself in agreement on politics with all members of my church but that's not a problem because we don't hold services to advocate such matters.

 

This news is HUGE!

Did you guys see this preacher spewing out his anti-christ venom on the news clips today?

Here is the problem for Obama. He is a member of this fellowship. Has been for twenty years. You don't fellowship for twenty years with those who spew out hatetred unless you at the least don't mind it.

Obama tried to brush this off as a "nutty uncle" relationship. He has a HUGE problem. This isn't just a rogue preacher that goes off on a tangent once in awhile. This man devotes his sermons to whipping the folks into a racist frenzie. Notice how the ENTIRE congregation whoops and yells in support of the anti-christ rhetoric!

This isn't a one man show, the entire congregation is in on this hate. Obama is one of those who sits in this congregation and feels right at home.

This preacher is not a Christian for one. Niether does he preach the Gospel of Christ. He preaches hate. He curses from the pulpit and displays sexual actions while he talks about Bill Clinton and Monica. ANd look at the congregation whooping and yelling in support!

Sickening indeed. I speak out against Obama for his murder on demand policy, but otherwise I thought he was a good man though misguided and lacking leadership wisdom. Now this, this shows Obama's true colors. No Christian could sit and listen to this preacher's garbage!

Something stinks REALLY bad here with Obama. Fellowshipping with this bunch? I would be ashamed if I had supported the man and would humbly repent to my Lord.

God Bless! :thumbs:

 

Do you have a link to a clip of this? I would like to see what you're talking about. This might be the end of Obama if what you say is true. This will boost Hillary stock to the max and lock her in as Dem Nominee...

 

Naw, they just teach Christians a bunch of false eschatological mumbo jumbo; however, I still regard them as fellow Christians even though I disagree strongly with their teaching.

 

I don't see this story amounting to much. Just look at how the mainstream media is basically giving Senator McCain a pass on the endorsements of the likes of John Hagee and Rod Parsley.

Regardless, I am willing to vote for Senator Clinton in November if she is the Democratic Party presidential nominee.

 

1) I have done so for extended periods of time in my life.

2) I am against homosexual marriage(and voted so on the state constitutional amendment in Arkansas in 2004)and I am against abortion(I have to admit that I have become more progressive economically as I get older) and I plan to vote Democrat on November 4.

 

1) You don't know that and you have no Biblical warrant for saying such a thing.

2) I am not ashamed to support Senator Obama(I have lots to repent of - every day that I am alive).

Really, brother, you need to stop attemping to tie one's salvation to holding certain political viewpoints and voting in a particular manner.

Salvation, from man's perspective, is based on coming to Christ Jesus in repentance and faith, not on holding to some particular political position or voting in a particular manner.

 

That is fine, brother. We will simply have to agree to disagree on this matter.

 

Looks like Obama's preacher has that covered, as well. But the committment to Africa, with the anti-American rhetoric, only leads me to believe Obama's first committment is to Africa, not America, and why shouldn't I ?

Why is it so out of bounds to suggest Obama supports this doctrine, ipso facto, to suggest Obama may have some scary racist views ? I think it's a fair question, and am really suprised at the pass given him. This by the same people who were ready to hang Bush over something they saw in a Micheal Moore movie.

 

The people who are having a cow over the preacher at the church where Senator Obama is a member and giving a pass to Senator McCain concerning the endorsements of John Hagee and Rod Parsley would never vote for Senator Obama in the first place.

 

I visited the provided links and one doesn't seem to match the other... I'm scratching my head trying to see what you guys are seeing. Here are the 10 points from the Churches site

The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.

But ethe interview says this;

HANNITY: Let's -- let's look -- if we look specifically at the 10 items in the church -- for example: commitment to God. Basics, simple -- nobody will disagree.

RUSH: Right.

HANNITY: Commitment to the black community. What if it was a commitment to the white community? Commitment to the white family versus commitment to this church, which says commitment to the black family.

I don't see all the things Hannity said what there in the 10 points. Did they change them on the Churches website after the interview aired?

Also, the Churches website features what appears to be a white lady talking about how she is at home at this Church. She is also the only person I hear on the pulpit. Did the video change or is this what you guys were talking about?

 

Obama's church

I saw a long clip of the sermon on CNN here in the Czech Republic. While it is not a smart talk as far as politics is concerned, that is it will drive people away ... I did not hear any statement that was not true.

I am "white," but it does amuse me how so many of we 'white folk' go absolutely bananas when someone says something agianst us.

Someone on one of the threads the other day said they do not believe the government should be able to tell them they cannot preach politics from the pulpit. That is what this fellow was doing. What does surprise me is that up to now the gov. has not gone after the tax status of this church.

Also, why is the press not making noise about Hagee supporting, on TV, McCain. Tom me Hagee is as hate filled as this African American pastor. Hagee just happens to hate people that lots of conservative and fundamental folk hate, so they defend him.

But who says we humans should be consistant. :BangHead:

 

This is the crux of the matter. Many people here are talking as if they are looking at the facts to decide whether or not to vote for Obama. The truth is that they would not vote for a democrat regardless. They are only looking for facts to back-up what they have already decided to do.

 

I had been planning to vote Republican if Clinton is the nominee and Democrat if Obama is the nominee.

This information about his pastor and church is causing me to change my mind.

 

I would hate to be held responsible for everything any of my pastors have said.:BangHead:

 

He preaches the USA government planted the Aids virus into the black community to get rid of the blacks.

He preaches the USA government provides the drugs to the black community so it can arrest the blacks and put them in a three strikes and your out prison for life.

Not to mention...

He curses from the pulpit.

He makes sexual motions as he tells the Bill Clinton and Monic story.

Who would allow their kids to sit and listen to this man? Where is Obama's sense of judgment? It looks really bad for Obama as if he has no character judgment at all. Certainly he has no Christlike judgment.

You can see Wright's anti-christ rhetoric at foxnews.com website. It's not just Wright, the entire congregation is whooping in support of the hate being spewed out.

God Bless!

 

He sounds like Frederick Price.