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Obama's church?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by exscentric, Mar 13, 2008.

  1. steaver

    steaver Well-Known Member
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    This is true but irrelevant. We will see how many fence sitters will go for Hillary now that Obama's racism has been exposed. And you would think Christians who have seen this would repent if they have been supporting the man.

    God bless! :thumbs:
     
  2. targus

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    I'm not holding him responsible for what his pastor said.

    I am holding him responsible for the decisions that he made.

    I recall when Obama was responding to rumors that he is a Muslim he made statements to the effect that he searched for a church that suited him personally and this was the one that he chose. It appears that he was a member there for quite some time. No doubt his pastor gave sermons such as these more than once. I can't help but wonder why Obama would continue in an assembly where this nonsense is preached (such as the government created HIV-AIDS to commit genocide against the black population).

    Twenty years of listening to this is a long time if you don't agree with it.

    If your pastor gave blistering sermons against another group based on skin color how many years would it take for you to look for another church?
     
  3. exscentric

    exscentric Well-Known Member
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    "Hagee is as hate filled as this African American pastor."

    Never watch the man so perhaps you could point us to some resources which prove such a statement.
     
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    Can you provide a quote from Senator Obama that proves that he is a racist as you claim? If I were a betting man I would bet that you can't and that your statement is unsustainable.
     
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    I don't know much about Rod Parsley but Hagee is pretty biblically sound. But either man does not disgrace themselves with unChristlike behavior nor do they make such stupid statements as Wright does which are flat out "nutty" and lies. Like the government planted the HIV virus to get rid of the blacks. Would you stay in fellowship with a congregation who believed such nonsense? Obama's judgment is very poor.

    God bless!
     
  6. KenH

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    Senator McCain's judgment is very poor. He wants to limit political speech and start a war with Iran.
     
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    Ken, where is your sense of discernment?

    Look at Obama's fellowship. This congegation is exposed as racist, watch the tapes. This is Obama's flock. Birds of a feather flock together, this is parenting 101.

    God Bless! :thumbs:
     
  8. KenH

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    In other words, steaver, you made a claim that you can't back up. I hope that as a faithful Christian you will withdraw your unsubstantiated claim.
     
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    This is debateable and you probably would have some good points. But Obama's character judgment has been exposed as ABSOLUTELY bad and has no defense.

    God Bless! :thumbs:
     
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    I have obeyed my Lord in discerning the good and evil.

    Hbr 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, [even] those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

    God Bless!
     
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    2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

    Hbr 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, [even] those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

    Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

    Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

    1Jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

    Do you ever do any discerning Ken? Or do you just accept that everyone who says they are a Christian really is a Christian? I follow the bible's mandate to test the spirits and discern the good and evil. I do not drink the kool aid.

    The question is Ken, why aren't you testing the spirits? Testing means measuring what they say and do to the word of God. You don't just accept that everyone who says they are a Christian really is one.

    God Bless! :jesus:
     
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    Please link us to this, I would like to see what you're talking about.
     
  13. KenH

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    I try to give my fellow human beings the benefit of any doubt concerning salvation.
     
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    One of the reasons that I was considering voting for Obama was because I thought that electing an African-American as President would improve race relations in this country.

    I am now concerned that electing Obama may only make things worse. Now I believe that the only way to defuse the situation would be for the Democrats to give the nomination to Clinton - in which case I would be voting for McCain.
     
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    That's very interesting, targus. I hadn't thought of that until now. Thank you.

    love,

    Sopranette
     
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    I have no idea who will get my vote at this point. As time goes by I find more and more information that has been very slow in coming out so who knows how much more information is yet to come. :tear:
     
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    Ok....I will never vote for a democrat as long as they promote big government, higher taxes, gay rights, abortion rights, gun control, smaller/isolationist military, and try to convince us that we are not capable of raising our kids and we need their help to rescue them.

    I have a hard time understanding why "dedicated" christians would support people that represent these agendas.

    And for those of you who think that not ALL democrats support these agendas, look at where their money for election comes from. And look who always proposes the immoral and ungodly legislation that gets introduced.

    I live in the south, and down here most people "think" that they are democrat because "by golly, my daddy was democrat and thats the way I was raised"

    And then there are the people who "think" they are democrats because of the old folklore tale/lie "the republicans are for the rich man, and the democrats are for the working man".

    Many people in my home state of Arkansas claimed to be Democtacs for years, and after the Clintons were in thew WH for 8 years, they realized that the democratic party didnt represent their values or morals, and Arkansas starting putting alot of republicans into office.

    Finally, there is the myth that the economy was better and we were all richer because Clinton was in office, and that now we are in a economic slump because GWB is in office. I am NOT a fan of GWB, and some of his policies are questionable by even a staunch republican like me....but someone tell me one thing that Clinton did to make the economy better, and all of you richer.......and what GWB did to make us lose it all? The economy goes up and it goes down, and the president has very little control over it. The Fed Chairman has alot more control that the president does, but the Dems would have us all believe that the prospering 90's were all because of Clinton..It is natural supply and demand, not some magic potion that Dems use to make us rich.

    The media is very biased towards Dems, and only report the negative stuff in Iraq, and about the economy....is it just a little bit possible that some of you watch CNN and pMSNBC too much?

    Bible believing christians need to look at the policies and political platform of the person that they are voting for. If they did, we would have a quality choice of candidates.......I even include McCain in this, he is not representative of good Christian values either, but at least he doesnt advocate killing babies, abortion, and gay marriage......well, sometimes he flips, but the party wont let him if he is in office....grrrrrr...I hope. But with the DEms we know for sure what we are going to get, a child murdering, homosexual loving, tax raising, more government socialist.

    Whew...I am tired...your turn to sound off

    AJ
     
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    Let's be honest: any candidate--of ANY party--goes to church for 20 years and listens to a "preacher" spew anti-black rhetoric.

    How bad would it get for that candidate?


    I must say...I'm amazed that it seems too many churches in this country are nothing more than political rally locations. And yes, I've seen it go both ways...
     
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    http://www.foxnews.com/

    This page is always being updated so you will have to navigate through and find the download for Wright's sermons.

    Just watch fox news tonight and I am sure one of the programs will run it again. Hannity and Colms for sure. Maybe even the Fox Report.

    God Bless! :thumbs:
     
  20. ajg1959

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    Believe it or not, ABC news broke it first. NBC, CNN ans pMSNBC probably knew about it but sat on it so as not to upset their liberal candidates.

    http://abcnews.go.com/

    AJ
     
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