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1) No.

2) No.

3) Yes, he/she can.

 

The Bible is about salvation and spending eternity with God, not politics.

You diminish the gospel of our Lord when you drag it down to nothing more than political posturing.

I refuse to play political games with the Holy Scriptures.

 

I admit that I fail often in that regard. How about you?

 

I never saw the verse that says thou shalt not have an abortion so I must assume the foundation for this belief is where you said abortion is murder. Why is murder not debatable when it comes to abortion but is very debatable when it comes to sending young men to die in an unknown country to give democracy to people who never asked for it and doesn't seem to want it?

I guess my problem is the double standard by which scripture is interpreted and used around here. If murder is wrong then let's join forces against all forms of murder. Cpitol punishment and war = ok. Abortion = abomination.

The verse you used, Eph 5:11 in a nut shell means light and darkness can't co-exist. If you are going to be a child of light then you should have no part in any darkness. How can one form of what you call murder, abortion, be so much darkness that you say it's non-debatable but then you can willfully accept other forms of murder and say they are the will of God? Is God the author of confusion?

 

Fighting for ones country in war is not murder.

Killing a defenseless baby is.

The soldiers in Iraq are serving a noble cause...the people who kill their babies are cowards and only kill them because they dont want the responsibilty of a child.

AJ

 

Where did you get that definition?

I tought murder was the killing of a human by a human?

Does your definition only apply to abortion or does the innocent people who die in the war count as "innocent human life?"

How about if the commander in cheif irresponsibly commits troops to die. Do they count as innocent life?

Is their innocent life after birth or can you only qualify pre-birth?

How?

Show me scripture that says life begins in the womb? I believe one is born into life.

 

What nobel cause are we fighting in Iraq? Are we still looking for the weapons of mass destruction? We know Bin Laden lead the 9/11 attacks, so we make our nobel cause killing Saddam Hussein? Is bringing democracy to a people who never asked for or seem to want it a nobel cause?

Show me the scripture that says murder is ok if you have a nobel cause?

Also, I generally agree with you about abortion and I don't support it either. However, not all abortions are performed "because they dont want the responsibilty of a child". There are medical reasons for abortions which since I'm not a doctor I can't say if their valid or not.

 

The moral question stems from "abortion on demand", noone argues that a mother should knowingly die to carry a baby full term.

Wow, according to your definition of "murder", God sure did instruct His people to commit murder alot???????? Even to kill the children and animals in one engagement.

Killing and murder are not always the same thing.

AJ

 

You thought wrong. Murder is the killing of innocent life. The Bible clearly makes distinctions between murder, accidental death, killing in self-defense, and killing in war. And the penalties for each are diffferent, showing us that there is a distinction. These examples from the Law, while not directly applicable today as the Law, show us that God does make the distinctions that you do not. These things have generally been recognized in civilized society.

People who die in war are generally considered accidental death unless they are specifically targeted.

No. They are soldiers in an army fighting a war. War, by biblical teaching, is different than murder.

Yes, there is innocent life before and after death. "Innocent life" in murder discussions has to do with immediate causation.

Because in immediate causation, the question, "Did the person do anything might have legitimately led to his death?" For instance, getting killed in the middle of breaking into someone's house in the middle of the night means you are not innocent life. Being a bystander in a driveby shooting means you are innocent life. Capital punishment is just retribution according to God, to demonstrate the value of human life.

You believe wrong. Biblically, the Bible says that God forms man in the womb. The baby is a person when God is forming it in the womb. Scientifically, the baby in the womb is a completely distinct person with its own DNA.

So on both counts, life begins at conception.

 

Oh, you mean like this?

Looks like you mixed your politics with religion, Ken. I guess your refusal to "play political games" like this is only prospective in nature and doesn't apply to posts that occurred just one day prior?

 

Hang in there Ken. Looks like the piranhas are still not finished eating! :laugh:

 

If this is a Christian Board then perhaps it is you who is a piranha trying to eat God's goldfish.

Lucky for us, there are alot more goldfish here than there are piranhas.

AJ

 

I am a Christian, as is KenH.

 

I am just going to be honest.

With the anti-Bible and ungodly filth that you spew......

[questioning of salvation snipped]

AJ

 

It is against the rules to question anther poster's salvation.

Do you also think KenH is not a Christian? How about LeBuick who said that life begins at birth, not conception. Is he also not a Christian?