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Obamas kids - should they be the subject of this debate?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Salty, Aug 7, 2009.

  1. matt wade

    matt wade Well-Known Member

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    Maybe I need the government to steal money from you and hand it over to me? Isn't that what normally happens when liberals start feeling sorry for someone?

    How have I insulted you? I bring up facts about how things work. I point out that the government does not have anything so they can't give anything to anyone. I point out where the money actually comes from. That's an insult to you? If facts insult you, then I guess you are insulted.

    Why not try and actually discuss the topic rather than ignore it? We both know you are wrong, but at least you could give it a shot.
     
  2. matt wade

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    Many of these organizations are also trying to help people that should not be helped. If you can't pass a drug test, you should be instantly disqualified for any help.

    If the government did not provide (with stolen money) the poor social services that it does, more money could flow into private charity as necessary. If aid was only provided by private charity and those charities didn't hand out money to undeserving slackers, there would be far less people starving and living on the streets. Most people living on the streets are there by choice. They choose to live a lifestyle that puts them there. They do drugs and engage in other risky behavior. If they got there act together and acted like grown up people, they could get a job.

    I object because it's my money being used inefficiently. I would have less objection to the government stealing my money if they were more efficient about it. If they at least required mandatory drug testing for all social service recipients, I'd calm down a bit. Drug testing should include testing for tobacco and alcohol.
     
  3. LeBuick

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    Are you saying to penalize the children because the parents have addictions?

    This comes close to Bush' faith based initiative which I do support and agree in principle... We never hand out money, we'll feed and do what we can for you but we never give out money.

    So you don't believe in just down on your luck? Lost hope? People who are mentally of physically handicapped? People without the skill set or creativity to make the minimum necessary to get by?

    I believe you have a decent thought except for the infringing of their privacy and civil liberties. But if they want government help, then I guess government can make conditions.
     
  4. matt wade

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    Parent's with addictions should have their children taken away from them.

    Saying handing out money was a poor example on my part.

    Lost hope? Get a job. Without the skill set or creativity? Get a life, McDonalds is hiring.

    As I've stated before, yes, people go through rough times. In those cases private charity should be there as a very temporary solution.


    You got that right. You want to make use of my hard earned money? You better forget about privacy and civil liberties and prove you aren't spending money on drugs. If you want to retain privacy and civil liberties, don't spend my money.
     
  5. LeBuick

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    I believe that was my point, McDonalds doesn't pay enough to raise a family. They would be defind as underemployed and living below poverty.
     
  6. Salty

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    So are you saying an employer should be forced to pay some a wage they are not deserving of ?

    You start as McDonalds as a broom sweeper, work hard, get promoted, keep working harder and harder and you will go up the ladder to shift mgr, and even possible to store manger.
    Opps, I said that Maynard G. Kreeps dirty word again - WORK

    In the Army we had a saying when a man complained about not having enough money for his wife and family "The Army did not issue you a wife!"
     
  7. LeBuick

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    Minimum wages started for a reason but that was not what I was saying. I was saying because they are not making poverty wages at McD's the tax payers subsidize their existence. It is not a proud living to work 50 or 60 hours a week and have to use food stamps to feed your kids. However, pride cometh before a fall...
     
  8. Nonsequitur

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  9. Bro. Curtis

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    Praise God my parents kicked me out when I was 18. I joined the Navy, and still use the training I recieved. God is good.
     
  10. LeBuick

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    National unemployment rate is 9.4% with an effective rate of 18.7%. People will take what ever job they can find and if that means a man with a family working at McD's then pride will only make him fall. Some money is way better than no money.

    And there are a lot of unfortunate in our society that graduated from high school and didn't spend their time doing drugs, having kid out of wedlock, and/or skipping school. They did the best they could but luck didn't fall in their favor. You and I can easily be in their position tomorrow which is why we should count our blessings.
     
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    Another great thing about the Navy was the discipline. All the best electronic techs I have met are ex-military.

    Being dirt-poor, my parents could not have sent me to college. In fact, we got food & clothes from our church. But the Navy was the best thing I could have done. I am grateful to the Navy for my life skills, and my tech training.
     
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    "Unfortunate" in our society? If they graduated from high school,didn't do drugs, didn't have kids out of wed-lock, or didn't skip school, why should they all of a sudden be too stupid to take care of themselves?
    You or I can be in their position tomorrow?
    'Unfortunate'? It had NOTHING to do with luck or being 'fortunate' in my case. I graduated from high school, didn't have a child out of wed lock, and still made it own my own, raising a family, after breaking my back in three places, shot once, knifed twice, diagnosed with an incurable disease and I still made it with no government support or any wish for it. But for some reason the government wants to take the money I make, which they have no right to, and give it to people who don't/won't work.
     
  13. LeBuick

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    Thanks for sharing your testimony. But I will say you are the exception and not the rule. Perhaps divine intervention???
     
  14. matt wade

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    It's sad when you can't speak the truth and call someone that deliberately misleads and doesn't tell the truth a liar. Better watch out guys if you call a liberal a liar, they might whine to the mods and get your post edited.
     
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    I went to private elementary school from grades 1 trough 8. They didn't have a cafeteria. We all had to bring our own lunches. If public school kids are complaining about their lunches, let 'em bring their own. Better yet, just close the cafeterias. In a budget crisis such as these, that would be reasonable, especially since a cafeteria is not an entitlement.

    In regards to the OP, no, minor children of a siting POTUS should be left alone.
     
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    What part of his testimony is the exception?

    Studying in school?
    No having children out of wedlock?
    Not using drugs?

    Show me someone who is chronically unable to provide for themselves for reasons other than a physical/mental handicap and the chances are the reason is due to lack of education, out of wedlock kids or drug use.
     
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    {Begin soapbox}
    Yep, that is indicative of our society. I imagine that Jesus Christ, John, Peter, and Paul would experience the same thing if they were to post on this board. You know they were rude and uncouth men who told the truth and never worried about if someone got their feelings hurt. In our society of relativism and situational ethics in which there are no absolutes, people are hyper-sensitive and always looking to be offended by those who stand for, believe, and proclaim TRUTH.

    You know if the truth hurts your feelings, it means your a rotten sinner and should fall on your face before a righteous and holy God and repent. My GOD loves truth, righteousness, and holiness. Today, there are many who have created a false god in there own mind that is not the God of the Bible, but rather a god that conforms to their own standards. They worship a false god.
    {End soapbox}
     
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