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Odrama the Liar at it again

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Revmitchell, Mar 26, 2009.

  1. Revmitchell

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    Do nothing is a pejorative for not spending and it has no validity. The spending and the credit we are racking up is the problem. And what I mean by that is everyone in this country not just government. The whole economy has been established on buying what we cannot currently pay for. odrama campaigned on pay as you go. Of course he lied. And you should be willing to admit pelosi and company is only using this crisis to spend on pet projects. None of this spending has anything to do with helping the economy. It is about furthering the liberal agenda and nothing more.
     
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    I have called O'bama rex a liar as you have. However, on reflection I am not sure that is proper. To call someone a liar implies they understand that there is a difference between a lie and the truth. Assuming that O'bama rex knows the difference, or for that most leftists know the difference, is probably a poor assumption.
     
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    Then: Factcheck is owned by the Annenburg Corp which has always had close ties to Ayers and Obama. Nothign is credible about it.

    Now:

    Factcheck

    Obama's Prime Time Pitch
    March 25, 2009
    Some exaggerations and misstatements from his evening news conference.
    Summary
    President Obama sometimes strayed from the facts or made dubious claims during his hour-long evening news conference March 24.

    * He said his budget projections are based on economic assumptions that “are perfectly consistent with what Blue Chip forecasters out there are saying.” Not true. The average projection by leading private economists is now for substantially less economic growth than the administration’s forecast assumes.

    * He said he is reducing “nondefense discretionary spending” to less than it was under the past four presidents. Not true. His own forecast for the final budget of his four-year term puts this figure higher than in many years under Reagan, Clinton or either Bush.

    * He said he was “angry” about “inexcusable” bonuses paid to AIG executives. But he glossed over the fact that his own aides insisted on watering down a Senate-passed amendment that might have prevented payment of such bonuses.

    * He repeated that his budget is projected to cut the federal deficit in half by the end of his term. That’s true, but deficits also are projected to shoot up again later unless big policy changes are made.

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    Previously, you claimed "Nothing is credible" about Factcheck. Now you use it as a source against Obama. Which statement is true and which one is not?
     
  4. LeBuick

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    The people I understand but how is government spending or the deficit causing this problem?

    He did, I don't racall him saying he would pay as he goes. Do you have a link? I heard him promise a lot of spending, tax cuts for the middle class and an increase for the top 5% but I don't recall pay as you go.

    Unless you call creating jobs no help to the economy then you are dead wrong here. And the stimulus it creates is not a false stimulating effect. True it won't be lasting but there is nothing false about a guy working to build a needed bridge.
     
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    Spending money which do not not currently have in other words using credit is always the problem. It is over used and is never the solution.





    "Creating jobs" in liberal speak really means "expanding government". That only puts more of a burden on tax payers. That cancels out the impact any jobs created may have had. What we need is jobs created by the free market not government. Government has to get out of the way in order for that to happen.
     
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    You may have been to quick to judge, Walmart is feeling the crunch like every other company in the land...

    http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090327-711420.html

     
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    But what specific problem is it causing the government and how is the government deficit creating our current situation?

    I stand corrected, thanks for the info... I don't recall this being one of his talking points so I wonder why he would put something like this on his page. I guess that might have gotten him a few republican votes.

    Building bridges and roads is not expanding government. For one, it is something government is currently responsible for and two, government is paying money to private industries who intern employs people to do the work. So the jobs being created are not government jobs.
     
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    You said FactCheck wasn;t credible when it was used to support Obama. You said that was because of their ties to the Annenburg organization. Now you're saying it's suddenly credible because you found a FactCheck article that was against Obama.

    Is FactCheck credible or not? You don't get to say they are only if they agree with you.
     
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    When the government orders a fighter plane, it puts money in the private sector and creates private sector jobs. the government is the customer. It is no different with building roads and bridges, the government is the customer to all the private companies that will make the materials and build the roads and bridges. Private sector jobs will be used to do the work. American workers will be paid and not with a government check.

    Someone should have told Eisenhower since he began the Interstate highway system with a federal tax. I am not saying the entire stimulus bill was to build highways and bridges, parts of the plan have other intension's like extending the benefits for the unemployed.
     
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    I thought it was credible...
     
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    I never said they were credible. I also post from wiki, cbs, nbc, msnbc, washington times etc. None of which have any credibility. Your problem is when an op is posted you want to apply everything posted as if it was the person posting saying those very words. Which really seems to be a practice of a number of folks.

    Obama is getting criticism on both sides. The anti-war folks are not happy with him, a good number of dems disagree with quite a few things, and now we have a partisan site that disagrees with him still. Really, I thought that was obvious.
     
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    The money comes from taxes taken from you and me. The stimulus effect is voided out because of that fact. Jobs need to be created in the market by the market with no taxes involved. How many ways do I have to say it.



    [qute]Someone should have told Eisenhower since he began the Interstate highway system with a federal tax. I am not saying the entire stimulus bill was to build highways and bridges, parts of the plan have other intension's like extending the benefits for the unemployed.[/QUOTE]

    Adn yet you continue to over simplify and play down the reality of all this spending. Anyway it is not relevant who else gathered money to the federal level. There is no specific authority in the constitution to do this.
     
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    Why do you post using sources that you believe to be not credible? It doesn't exactly booster your argument.
     
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    Because he hates Obama and will post anything negative he can find.
     
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    Wrong.I hate his agenda and will post anything that exposes his unconstitutional marxist agenda that I find.
     
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