On request, Different Gospels -#2.

The above quotes from Chafer and Ryrie say nothing about "after the millennium". You are reading something that is not there to justify your opinion.

In fact Chafer says "throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes"]/b]. That indicates that throughout eternity there will be an earthly Jewish people and a heavenly Christian people. In fact if some of the Old Testament promises are applied strictly and literally to Israel that means an eternal earthly kingdom for Israel.
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That may be what you believe but that is not what Chafer and Ryrie say.

Can you present any Scripture to justify the above statements?

Paul's parable of the olive tree shows that there is only one people of God, those justified by faith in both the Old and New Testaments. Those people constitute the Church for whom Jesus Christ died:

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Can you point to one verse of Scripture that states that Jesus Christ died to purchase unbelieving Israel.

 

1. Paul was headed to Damascus to persecute Christians so there was obviously a Church there.
2. What Scripture talks about The Apostolic Pentecostal church in Jerusalem? I would like to read it. What was the Church at Damascus called? The Apostolic Pentecostal church in Damascus?.
3. Where in Scripture does it talk about two [2] different foundations laid by man on the Foundation of Jesus Christ?
4. Where in Scripture is the name Kingdom Church used? Just what is a Kingdom Church?
5. Where in Scripture is the name Body of Christ Church used?

In the following Scripture Paul states:
Romans 15:20 Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man’s foundation:

There is no indication at all that Paul was speaking of Peter in this Scripture. If he were and if Peter were preaching a Gospel different than that of Paul was Paul not obligated to take Peter to task as he had earlier. Ituttut you are totally misusing this passage of Scripture in an attempt to prove something that is untrue; namely that Paul preached a Gospel other than the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the same Gospel that Peter preached. The same Gospel that all the Apostles preached [except Judas].

You obviously have a vivid though distorted imagination Ituttut. As a consequence your beliefs are heretical Ituttut and bring reproach on the name of Jesus Christ.

 

Ituttut you did not answer the question. Paul states that: godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation. Yet you have argued that Paul's Gospel for Gentiles never says anything about repentance relative to salvation, while what you call Peter's Gospel for the Jews does. All you do in the above response is dance around a little and throw in a couple of Greek words to impress or confuse. Is Paul confused about his Gospel or are you confused about the Gospel of Jesus Christ which Paul preached as did Peter.

Just answer the question ituttut: What does Paul mean when he writes the following?

2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.[/quote]

 

ituttut
The above is worse than no answer. I made the simple statement that: Everyone who has every been saved has been saved through the Grace of my Lord Jesus Christ and you respond as above. Are you denying that truth or not? It is not clear from what you say above, particularly regarding Moses and David. Please tell me how they were saved, by Grace or otherwise.

As for what they knew listen to what the Apostle Paul tells us:

Galatians 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Now what Gospel was preached to Abraham?

 

It sounds like they followed Hal Lindsey who set a date for Jesus' return but missed the date.

 

But he made a lot of money just as LeHaye and Jenkins have.

 

It shows the condition of those who follow him just like those who follow Benny Hinn.

 

The OT saints were saved by trusting in Christ. No, they did not know his specific name, or many of the details, but they looked for the promised saviour. And the Bible says this.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

And here are some that looked for this saviour.

John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

This woman could hardly be called a saint, she had been married many times and was living with a man outside marriage. But she believed the OT scriptures and looked for and trusted in the promised Messiah.

And, as the story goes she ran into town and told everyone she had found the Christ. And when these who also truly believed the OT scriptures met and heard Jesus, they believed as well.

John 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

You see, those who believed the OT scriptures and understood them (you must believe the scriptures to understand them), looked for the Christ, the Saviour. They understood they were not going to be saved by works.

It is only false dispensational teaching that confuses you. Believe the scriptures, not theories of man.

 

Ituttut: You have yet to answer these simple questions!

 

Ituttut: You have not yet responded to the following comment!

You have argued that repentance is not a part of the Gospel of Paul which is really not another Gospel but is the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the same Gospel that Peter preached.

 

Ituttut, I have never argued that Paul preached repent and be baptized for the remission of your sins. I have simply said that your insistence that there are two different Gospels is unbiblical and makes a liar out of Paul since he teaches in Galatians that there is only one Gospel and anyone who claims otherwise is accursed. You have insisted that Paul never says anything about repentance for the Gentile. I simply prove by Scripture that you are mistaken. Please note the following.

The church at Corinth is obviously a Church composed primarily of Gentiles. There may have been some ethnic Jews there I don't know, neither do you. The Apostle Paul writes to this Church:

2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

So you see Ituttut, contrary to your argument the Apostle Paul does speak of repentance to the Gentiles.

You can note, surmise, guess, postulate, etc. all you want Ituttut but you are incorrect as usual. The only requirement I have insisted on for salvation is to be among the elect. These God will bring to salvation.

That being said repentance is a part of salvation, just as regeneration, forgiveness, faith, justification, sanctification, and eventually glorification!

 

Then why was Paul going to Damascus? Scripture states:

Acts 9:1, 2

1. And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,
2. And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.

"Disciples of the Lord" and "any of this way" indicates Christians and where there are Christians there is a Church, that is "called out ones". Or you can find Scripture referring to the Church as the Body of Christ, or the Bride of Christ, or the Bride of the Lamb.

So Cheers to you Ituttut as Jim1999 would say.

 

Ituttut said:

I cannot show you that, but I can show you where Peter preached to Jews to repent and did not mention baptism whatsoever, but forgiveness of sins.

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Here Peter never mentions baptism, only that they repent and be converted that their sins may be blotted out.

And I know that dispensationalists believe that Peter preached the re-establisment of the kingdom. But if you read closely you will see that Jesus will not return until at least two times have passed.

Now, I have never understood how dispensationalists who put such emphasis on divisions of times or ages can overlook this, but they do. The scripture says the heaven must receive Jesus until the TIMES of restitution of all things. So there is no way Jesus is going to return immediately.

And if you read Acts 1 you will see Jesus said the same thing.

Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

I don't know how dispensationalist overlook this either (actually I do, because it is completely contrary to their false teaching).

It doesn't get any clearer than this. The apostles asked Jesus directly if he would restore the kingdom at this time.

Jesus told them this information is not for them to know. So, there is no way Peter is going to tell the Jews Jesus would return immediately, because Peter does not know this.

But notice Jesus also mentions TIMES (plural) and SEASONS (plural).

So, at least two times or seasons must pass before Jesus returns whether the Jews repent and get baptized, or whatever they do.

So, this teaching that Jesus would return immediately if the Jews would repent and be baptized is absolutely false and contradicted by direct scripture.

Their job was to be witnesses (preach the Gospel), starting at Jerusalem, all Judaea, Samaria, and then to the uttermost part of the earth. Now, if this was a different gospel, why would it be preached to the uttermost part of the earth? Answer- it wouldn't. It would have been preached to the Jews only. So, this also proves that there is one gospel that was preached both to the Jews and Gentiles.

It is only because you have listened to the false teachings of hyperdispensationalism that you cannot see this. Believe the scriptures and reject the false teachings of man.

 

And Jesus himself preached to the Jews that they could receive the Holy Spirit and never mentioned baptism.

John 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Who is Jesus speaking to here? Jews only.

What must they do to receive the Spirit, the Holy Ghost? Believe on Him.

Does Jesus mention baptism? No

Does Jesus mention the restoration of the kingdom? No.

So, if it was necessay that the Jews be baptized to receive the Holy Spirit, then Jesus left out a very important detail, didn't he? Of course, if the Jews only need believe on Jesus without baptism to receive the Holy Spirit, then Jesus did not leave out anything, did he?

And Peter confirms this later in Acts if you read carefully.

Acts 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

Read that carefully. Does Peter say the Jews received the Holy Spirit upon being baptized? No, he says that they received the Holy Spirit by hearing God's Word (as I began to speak). And in verse 17 he confirms they received the gift by believeing (who believed).

So, this is in perfect agreement with John 7:38 where Jesus said those who believed on him would receive the Holy Spirit.