One Verse, Two Versions, And Two...

Can I try?

The NKJV reads:

Tts 1:3 but has in due time manifested His word through preaching, which was committed to me according to the commandment of God our Savior;


If we back up to verse 2:

Tts 1:2 in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began,


I would think "His word" is referring to the promise of eternal life.


I forgot how much I love the NKJV!

 

Thank you! That means a lot! :wavey:

 

First, if Amy's assertion is correct that the TNIV has assumed ton logon auton to be referring back to verse 2, then perhaps it is incomplete. The phrase in verse 2 is "hope of eternal life", not simply "eternal life"; those are not the same thing (else what is "hope of" doing there?).

Second, while "word" (here it is "his word" in the KJV, but also sometimes "the word of God", "word of truth" or other variations throughout scripture) is clearly more than a literal individual phoneme, I think it means more than just "eternal life". I think "word" encompasses the entire Gospel, the whole of the 'good news'. I think it means life then (heavenly) AND more abundant life now (earthly). I think this Gospel "word" includes concepts of repentance and forgiveness that the TNIV's narrow and too specific rendering with "eternal life" is lacking here. The HCSB's "message" is broad and less interpretive, thus being more representative of the original Greek.

 

Hey, Check it out, I found a version that says "literally" His Word (ie. The KJV)

John 1:1-14 Clearly tell us that Jesus is in fact the physical manifestation of the Word Of God. Therefore it must be saying that He "manifested his" Son "through preaching"
Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God."
1 Cor. 1:18"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness..."
vs.21 "...it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe."
1 cor. 2:2 "For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Christ and him crucified."

Sounds to me like, if we leave out the WORD then we leave out Salvation.

:tonofbricks:

 

Hmmm. I thought that the word "message" basicly meant message and that the word "word" basicly meant Word.

See I knew that I should have taken more than two semesters of that greek stuff then I could have had a proper understanding of English.

Of course that all depends on what "is" is.

Well I suppose that I'll shall have to suffer through life with only that mediocre understanding of English that all of those English Teachers forced on me.

:tonofbricks:

 

Trifles . Message = word . BTW , where did you learn 'basicly' ?

 

In my Greek classes.

 

This is a very good example of two contrasting translation philosophies. The TNIV tries to erase the ambiguity of the original, but the HCSV leaves it in so that the reader himself can interpret--just like is being done on this thread. Personally I would translate "His word" and let the chips fall where they may. :type:

 

I read through the NIV twice and that's what I saw. I've not read the TNIV, despite Rippon's advertisements, and probably won't since I didn't like the NIV (despite the excellent English it has). :smilewinkgrin:

I've been reading the ESV, which my son sent, and think it's fairly good as translations go--except that alas, they used the wrong Greek text!

 

Well John, at least you and I have this figured out .

 

And the cream rises to the top on the BB! :thumbs: :thumbs:

 

I haven't plugged it on this thread . Maybe you're remembering past ads !

 

You're slipping. :type:

 

Seems God manifested what He promised through the preaching of His word choosing the days of Paul to accomplish that very thing.

Yall know I am what you deem as "KJVO", and this verse is just another reason I stick with the KJB.

I had no "guesswork" to perform after reading the verse in the KJB.:godisgood: