Opposing the 7th day Sabbath of the Lord Thy God

Certainly that is true.

In Acts 17 we see that in the same way Paul went into the Synagogues "as was his custom" on Sabbath to spread the Gospel.

We see it also in Acts 13 "Sabbath after Sabbath" even in cases where "the Jews were rejecting the message but the Gentiles were accepting it" as given in those synagogue meetings.

Still I have to think that those who read 1John 2 "Walk as Jesus Walked" would not take that to mean "Honor the Sabbath of the Lord Thy God as Jesus did" -- correct?j

In fact I would dare say that as they read Isaiah 66 "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worhip" that they do not intend to conform to that text until at leas the time of the New Earth -- and then to comply for all eternity.... or else perhaps find a way out of it altogether.

I would also argue that when they read the pre-cross statement from Christ in Mark 2:27 that "the Sabbath was made FOR mankind" that they do not consider that to be valid for today -- even though "some might" consider it still valid for Jews.

And in that case - they would "offer a solution" for how their preference to differ in that practice from Christ is consistent with scripture.

in Christ,

Bob

 

I said -

In Acts 17 we see that in the same way Paul went into the Synagogues "as was his custom" on Sabbath to spread the Gospel.


you said

"Paul went to the synagogue on the sabbath, as a custom, to convert his Jewish brethren to the Messiah."

The only place where I see a difference between them is that I also point out in Acts 13 that Paul was doing this to reach Gentiles "Sabbath after Sabbath" even in cases where (as we see in Acts 13) the Jews were rejecting the teaching while the Gentiles were turning out to the point of "almost the whole city" to hear the gospel "the next Sabbath".

Are you saying that I was not being accurate?

in Christ,

Bob

 

I only use it (as you can see here by example) to show that Paul had a "Sabbath custom" regarding evangelism in the Synagogues on Sabbath and that Jesus had a pre-cross "custom" of speaking in the Synagogue on Sabbath.

I also point out as you did earlier that no matter who discusses this subject it is pretty much agreed that the pre-cross actions of Christ were in complete fulfillment - exact conformance to the Word of God.

BTW - I can not speak for the practice of "all other SDAs" because "opinions vary" inside the SDA church kinda like they do outside. I heard a sermon today by my pastor (for example) where he argued that "intercession" is a spiritual gift and that "the parable of talents" in Matt 25 is about using spiritual gifts as given by God. On both counts - I differ.

in Christ,

Bob

 

You have said that correctly and you have also provided an excellent "test" for your assumption to see "IF" in fact Paul was doing that very thing for IF that were the case THEN Paul "should have been saying -- let's meet tomorrow and continue this exciting Gospel discussion about the Christ who died for our sins and rose again. So I earnestly and enthusiastically envite ALL you GENTILES who have been accepting this message today AND even those of you who are Jews and yet are also accepting this message today to JOIN US TOMORROW in Worship so that you can hear MORE of what we discussed today".

So it is "instructive" that instead of that -- the gentiles must wait "until the next Sabbath" to hear more of the gospel that they are sooooo eager to hear -- that "practically the entire city shows up". Acts 13.

As you have stated -- if Paul were using your model it would have been in the form "Glad to see so many of you gentiles are accepting this message - please Join us tomorrow for our day of worhsip in honor of the Christ I have been preaching here today and his Resurrection event on week-day-one".

This is in fact - one place where we find something like agreement on this very topic.

Thanks for pointing that out.

in Christ,

Bob

 

If we keep this "sola scriptura" then we all agree on the following -- that the following statements are not found in scripture.

A.We all agree we are not going to ever find (IN SCRIPTURE) that

1, "week-day-one" is ever called "the Lord's day"
2. "week day one " is never called "Day of the Lord"
3. nor any text saying "Christ is Lord of Week Day one"
4. NOR that "God sanctified week-day one"
5. Nor that "God made week-day one holy"
6. Nor that Christ said "meet on week-day one in rememberance of My resurrection"
7. Nor that any NT writer ever said "we meet on week-day one in rememberance of our Lord's resurrection".

B. We ALSO all agree on the obvious fact that the following texts ARE found in the Bible.

1. Isaiah 58 -- the "Sabbath is the Holy Day OF the LORD".
2. Mark 2:28 "The Son of Man is LORD of the Sabbath".
3. Isaiah 66 regarding the New earth "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to Worship"
4. In Gen 2:3 God said that "He rested on 7th day THEREFORE HE blessed IT and made IT Holy" - Sanctified it on the 7th day of Creation week itself.

C. We also will probably agree that even though the above list of facts are obvious to all - you will never hear this list of facts from the pulpit.

Where we DIFFER is on "WHY" these clear yet "inconvenient" Bible facts are never mentioned in modern pulpits.

But if we go back to "D.L.MOODY" we WILL see some pretty strong statements on the "Sabbath commandment" -- as we all agree.

So it is interesting - the inconvenient facts that we can all agree to - while also finding room to differ.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Yes - - we find one occassion in the NT where they are gathered for a farewell preaching service - and they "break bread" (a term that could easily refer to the Communion supper) -- calling that day "week day one" instead of "The Lord's Day" - and omitting anything like "as was our custom we met on week-day one - the day we call the Lord's Day, to break bread" -- This was the PERFECT place in the NT to say "week-day one IS the day we call the Lord's Day friends" - so that we could have at least ONE text that actually says it IN scripture thus helping us make an actual "sola scriptura" argument that "The Lord's Day is week-day one". The fact that there no "custom of meeting on week-day one" mentioned here AND the fact that they choose not to call this meeting a "Lord's Day meeting" -- speaks volumes to some of the Bible students reading that text.

Pentecost -- (means 50) This was 50 days after Passover. This could have been a Saturday meeting since Passover was on Saturday that year - so I am not "certain" it was Sunday.

But we do know that in Acts 1 they remained in the upper room meeting for 10 days -- and SURELY there had to be at least one Sunday there.

We can all agree that "Lay by him (himself) in store" is never used anwheree in the Bible to mean "take up a collection in a public meeting" so EVEN IF some propose that this referenct is the one case where it does have that "public meeting" interpretation -- then at least all can agree this would be the FIRST time in all of scripture that the phrase has ever been used to mean "take up a collection in a public meeting".

Albert Barnes seems to agree

Hence - I did not bring up the areas where I thought there would be many differeing POV even among Sunday keepers in my list of "we all agree that...".

I am trying to keep the "all agree" list to something that "at least" all Sunday keeping authorities would agree to.

in Christ,

Bob

 

I have not argued anything of the sort.

No - I am arguing that we SHOULD walk as Jesus walked - and the statement was made by TCGreek that Jesus kept the 4th commandment. I agreed with him.

I am pointing to the "consistency" in walking as Jesus walked in regard to the 4th commandment.

I am not arguing that you are not saved if you do not keep Christ's memorial of HIS work in Creation. Rather I argue that it is "more consistent" to keep the Ten Commandments as though they are the "Commandments of God" and contained in the Word of God -- "The Law of God".

As Paul said to the Church at Corinth "But what matters is keeping the Commandments of God".

in Christ,

Bob

 

Two statements from TCGreek -

There are a number of ways to spin this --

My point is that when you stated (in the case of your first statement above) that someone holding your POV really only has one primary purpose in attending and speaking at a Sabbath worship service - and that it to get as many as desire to accept the message of the Gospel and hear more about -- to join you in worship "tomorrow" (being week-day-one in that case).

I am simply agreeing with you and then showing that this is precisely what does NOT happen in Acts 13 EVEN though "almost the entire city" of gentiles is anxious to hear more and turns out "the next Sabbath".

in Christ,

Bob