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Ordinary men and some are too small minded to govern their own affairs

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Revmitchell, Jun 11, 2021.

  1. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
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    “And for the international order that we have worked for generations to build, ordinary men and women are too small minded to govern their own affairs. Order and progress can only come when individuals surrender their rights to an all powerful sovereign.”

    Barack Hussein Obama
     
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    Source? Sounds like Babylon bee

    peace to you
     
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    It wasn't Babylon Bee. It was politics. (And yes, the OP is false propaganda - Obama's words were cropped and taken out of context).

    The Republicans did to Obama what they complain about with the Democrats and Trump. They produced propaganda to spread on social media - or they fell for the propaganda other Republicans made.

    "A video shared hundreds of thousands of times on Facebook is edited to falsely depict former president Barack Obama rejecting democratic ideals and calling for individuals to submit to totalitarianism. The clip shows Obama making a speech in which he says, “…and for the international order that we have worked for generations to build. Ordinary men and women are too small minded to govern their own affairs. That order and progress can only come when individuals surrender their rights to an all-powerful sovereign.” The excerpt lacks context and is misleading."

    False claim: Obama rejected democratic ideals by saying that “ordinary men and women are too small minded to govern their own affairs”


    Edit - by Republicans I mean some Republicans (the "followers" or "disciples" of the GOP). I was a Republican at the time, but like many I avoided propaganda.
     
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  4. Use of Time

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    Historically speaking, the OP will probably not acknowledge the readily available and easy to prove rebuttal provided by John. Pride is a tough thing to get past sometimes.
     
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    The Bible tells us how God feels about those who repeatedly and knowingly commit the sin of slander without remorse.

    Proverbs 6:16-19

     
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  6. Revmitchell

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    So the quote was debated two or three times on this board in the past years. The link to several articles like the Reuters articles were included each time.

    Yet the Democrats and far left wingers, to include those on this board, exude those very words to this day. They want to shut down free speech they work to label as “ misinformation” and why? Because people can’t figure out for themselves what the truth is?

    Are people so small minded that they need the far left of the Democrat party, Facebook, Twitter, and even on this board to straighten everyone out and protect everyone else?


    Are the far left the only ones allowed to have a public opinion because they get to carry the sovereign banner over all the other small minded?


    Obama may have been talking about Russia but he and all of the far left to include some on this board exude that same mentality regularly. Obama only called someone else out for what he and all other lefties do because Russia wasn’t doing it exactly like he wanted.

    He and the rest of the lefties are the epitome of the op.
     
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    I think I missed the part where God says he is ok with slander if it is done by Republicans and those on the right wing politically.

    I would love to see that scripture, thanks in advance.
     
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    For those too lazy to find the context of this quote, obama is saying that this is the view of Russian communism and should be criticized.

    Of course Revmitchell knows this and still chooses to slander him in this way.

    here is the full video of the speech and transcript from Jon’s link.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?318510-1
     
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    Or we could go with the moving the goalposts to outer space approach I suppose. Well played Mitch.
     
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    This behavior is amazing. You deliberately misrepresented someone and when confronted, instead of doing the right thing you choose to rant about things outside of the OP and blame others for inappropriate behavior. It is consistent with the world but coming from a pastor it is sinful and evil and you should know better. I’m in utter disbelief that you have the audacity to try deflect your own sinful behavior to others who rightfully called you ours. Politics has become an idol and you are going down a dangerous path with your hatred of the left. If you want to be better than the opposition then you have to actually be better than the opposition. This isn’t the way.

    You even acknowledge he was talking about Russia (after being corrected of course) and still chose to double down. Amazing.
     
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    Free speech does not mean we should pretend lies are true just because the lie suits our ideologies.

    The epitome of the Left (and perhaps, given this thread, of the Right) is the OP. The idea seems to be that spreading lies about someone ceases to be sinful if you dislike that person.

    Bottom line is a Christian (regardless of political camp) has no business spreading lies even if it is against people they dislike. God hates a lie, so why repeat one?
     
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    no one said a lie was true. No one
     
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    What you did was deceive intentionally. You’ve even acknowledged the quote has come up before which means you knew exactly what you were doing. Meaning you literally chose to cherry pick the quote on purpose. If you can’t even acknowledge this sin when it’s easily refuted then I don’t know what to tell you. The fact that you have a congregation concerns me greatly.
     
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    I never said anyone stated it was true..

    But when we post a lie we spread the lie.

    What is the purpose of the OP, which simply repeats false propaganda (repeats a lie)?

    In the future, it may help for you to indicate what you are posting is false.
     
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    To illustrate, when talking about people @Revmitchell said

    "they need the far left of the Democrat party, Facebook, Twitter, and even on this board to straighten everyone out and protect everyone else"

    - Revmitchell

    Now, that is a direct quote from Revmitchell, but it isn't what he was saying. If I just leave the quote then Revmitchell could rightly say I was lying.
     
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    I never posted a lie. Once again arguing just to argue.
     
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    No. We have a fundamental disagreement here.

    Concerning people, you said "they need the far left of the Democrat party".

    I do not believe our nation needs the far left or the Democrat Party.
     
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    1 John 3:6-10

     
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    You are being much too gracious here and falling into his trap of misdirection.

    Call a spade a spade.

    A serial slanderer is caught in slander again that he admits knowledge of yet refuses to admit he did anything wrong. He weasels out of it by suggesting Obama said those words but not in that order and not in the context being suggested. Then he slanders those who point out his deceit by calling them argumentative.

    What is the purpose of this stickied thread?

    Of Slander, and Libel

    Is it just for definitional purposes or is it to say something about whether slander/libel are acceptable here?
     
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    You are probably right. I just hate to think it of Revmitchell.
     
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