1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Ordo Salutis

Discussion in '2000-02 Archive' started by KenH, Oct 18, 2002.

Top Posters
  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2002
    Messages:
    41,978
    Likes Received:
    1,483
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I believe that the following that I found on the Internet is strictly Biblical according to the gospel of Christ Jesus. Does anyone disagree? If so, why?

    The order of salvation:

    Effectual Calling - Divine Act
    Regeneration - Divine Act
    Repentance -Divine & Human
    Faith -Divine & Human
    Justification -Divine
    Positional Sanctification -Divine
    Adoption -Divine
    Progressive Sanctification -Divine & Human
    Perseverance In Holiness - Divine & Human
    Glorification -Divine

    [ October 19, 2002, 06:13 PM: Message edited by: Ken Hamilton ]
     
    #1 KenH, Oct 18, 2002
  2. tyndale1946

    tyndale1946 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2001
    Messages:
    11,001
    Likes Received:
    2,396
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I don't disagree Ken but can't Effectual Calling and Regeneration occur simultainously?... Just asking!... Brother Glen [​IMG]
     
    #2 tyndale1946, Oct 18, 2002
  3. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2002
    Messages:
    41,978
    Likes Received:
    1,483
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Possibly. But wouldn't one normally hear the call in the gospel before regeneration?

    [ October 18, 2002, 07:53 PM: Message edited by: Ken Hamilton ]
     
    #3 KenH, Oct 18, 2002
  4. ForumChaplain

    ForumChaplain Guest

    I agree:
    Yet I must stipulate that the effectual calling is only effective to those that respond. It is effectual tho, because it does accomplish what God intends it to.

    See, all is of God. Stay away from irrestible grace & salvational predestination and we pretty much agree.

    Oh yea!!! Regeneration follows faith. Otherwise you get an "A".

    [ October 18, 2002, 10:54 PM: Message edited by: Chappie ]
     
    #4 ForumChaplain, Oct 18, 2002
  5. tyndale1946

    tyndale1946 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2001
    Messages:
    11,001
    Likes Received:
    2,396
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Ken after thinking about it regeneration has to come before effectual calling... Since the quickening comes first according to Ephesians 2:1 then effectual calling must follow after the quickening. Then the effectual calling is for the living man that has the spiritual hearing ear and seeing eye and whose heart has been changed by God... Regeneration... And not to a dead man!... Regeneration must come first followed by effectual calling!... Brother Glen [​IMG]
     
    #5 tyndale1946, Oct 19, 2002
  6. Yelsew

    Yelsew Guest

    I disagree with the order, and provide the following:
    [ October 20, 2002, 03:10 AM: Message edited by: Yelsew ]
     
    #6 Yelsew, Oct 19, 2002
  7. Robert J Hutton

    Robert J Hutton New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2002
    Messages:
    360
    Likes Received:
    0
    Warm Christian greetings!

    Ken, You are correct to put regeneration before repentance; a person cannot repent if he is dead, he has to be made alive (regenerated) first! ;)

    Kind regards

    Robert J Hutton
     
    #7 Robert J Hutton, Oct 19, 2002
  8. rlvaughn

    rlvaughn Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2001
    Messages:
    10,544
    Likes Received:
    1,558
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Ken, how are you defining "adoption" (number 7 in your order)?
     
    #8 rlvaughn, Oct 19, 2002
  9. BobRyan

    BobRyan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2002
    Messages:
    32,913
    Likes Received:
    71
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Arminianism -

    The order of salvation:

    Effectual Loving - ALL are Loved - Divine Act
    Effectual Drawing - ALL are Drawn - Divine Act
    Effectual Enabling - ALL are enabled - Divine Act
    Faith - ALL are given a measure of faith- Divine

    Repentance - ALL are called to Repent, Divine & Human, SOME choose to repent

    Adoption--Regeneration-Forgiveness-Justification-- Divine, ALL happen at one time.

    Progressive Sanctification- begins at justification -- Divine and human

    Perseverance In Holiness - same as progressive sanctification -- Divine & Human

    Glorification -Divine

    In Christ,
    Bob

    [ October 19, 2002, 04:21 PM: Message edited by: BobRyan ]
     
    #9 BobRyan, Oct 19, 2002
  10. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2002
    Messages:
    41,978
    Likes Received:
    1,483
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I found this on the Internet. The term "adoption" was not defined.
     
    #10 KenH, Oct 19, 2002
  11. russell55

    russell55 New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2002
    Messages:
    2,424
    Likes Received:
    0
    I personally would put adoption right after justification, since we have already received the spirit of adoption, although I can see some reason to put closer to the end, since Romans 8 also says that we are eagerly waiting out adoption--the redemption of out bodies.

    [ October 19, 2002, 06:21 PM: Message edited by: russell55 ]
     
    #11 russell55, Oct 19, 2002
  12. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2002
    Messages:
    41,978
    Likes Received:
    1,483
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Though, perhaps positional sanctification can be placed after justification and before adoption. But I can see how adoption could be placed ahead of positional sanctification.
     
    #12 KenH, Oct 19, 2002
  13. russell55

    russell55 New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2002
    Messages:
    2,424
    Likes Received:
    0
    I see positional sanctification as part of justification, since justification means being counted righteous.
     
    #13 russell55, Oct 19, 2002
  14. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2002
    Messages:
    41,978
    Likes Received:
    1,483
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I edited "Sanctification" to "Positional Sanctification". That should work whether separated or included as a part of justification. [​IMG]
     
    #14 KenH, Oct 19, 2002
  15. russell55

    russell55 New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2002
    Messages:
    2,424
    Likes Received:
    0
    Works for me.

    Although, to get really nitpicky, I also think the case could be made that repentance is a necessary component to saving faith and not really a separate thing....
     
    #15 russell55, Oct 19, 2002
(You must log in or sign up to post here.)
Loading...