Orthodox Scholars Reaffirm Theological Validity of Women Deacons

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  1. Jerome Well-Known Member
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    Orthodox theologians from theology schools in Greece and the US support decision of the Orthodox Patriarchate of Alexandria to reinstate the ancient order of ministry
     
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    We are all called to serve, but it is leadership that creates the dispute.

    While we have a few exceptions to the general rule, men are usually in leadership. There were no Levitical Priestesses, for example.

    I have to question their statement that "deaconess" is in Scripture. One example I found in Luke 10:40...


    Luke 10:40
    King James Version (KJV)

    40 But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me.


    This is an issue (finding the justification for "deaconess" in Scripture) I haven't really spent time on, because basically I take a view that leadership is made pretty clear in Scripture, and I would not personally attend a fellowship that had a "female Pastor." But I don't take a diminutive view of those who do. A lot of times its the women doing all the work, lol.


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    Why as a Baptist should I take more than a cursory interest in what an Eastern Orthodox Church does or thinks? I don't do so for the Western Orthodox (aka RCC).
     
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    Entertainment value, maybe?
     
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    This is quite at odds with how St. Paul wanted women to act in church i.e. their hair covered and keeping quiet.
     
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    Hair covered or is it rather Head covered?

    1 Corinthians 11:5 KJB - But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.​

    The "dishonoureth her head" is a reference to her Husband [house-band, the true wedding-band], since the "husband" is the "head" of the "wife" ["body"] and Christ Jesus the "Head" of all mankind, and the Father, the "Head" of Christ Jesus:

    1 Corinthians 11:3 KJB - But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.​

    What is the "covering" of the woman's head then, that she have not "head uncovered", a piece of cloth? No, it is her "hair", which is her "glory":

    1 Corinthians 11:15 KJB - But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.​

    Even as the entire context refers to "hair" [and "shaven", "shorn"], and references Genesis, where there was no "cloth" on the head, but only that which God created for the woman, her "hair", which is that which is "covering" the "head":

    1 Corinthians 11:7 KJB - For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

    1 Corinthians 11:8 KJB - For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.

    1 Corinthians 11:9 KJB - Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

    1 Corinthians 11:10 KJB - For this cause ought the woman to have power [authority] on her head because of the angels.
    Notice this reference, of Mary, wiping the feet of Jesus, and the dust thereof, with her glory, her hair, in otherwords, she laid her glory, her pride, her self, in the dust, that she might forever serve at the feet of her Lord Jesus:

    John 11:2 KJB - (It was that Mary which anointed the Lord with ointment, and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.)​

    Again, the context speaks of the "hair" and length thereof, not cloth:

    1 Corinthians 11:14 KJB - Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
    This was also to the way in which man was created from the beginning, and also a reference to the Nazarite vow, since all those who took the Nazarite, were to be unshaven, unshorn, and to go about with long hair, not to their glory, but to their humilty [for they were symbolic of Christ Jesus's humility]:

    Numbers 6:5 KJB - All the days of the vow of his separation there shall no razor come upon his head: until the days be fulfilled, in the which he separateth himself unto the LORD, he shall be holy, and shall let the locks of the hair of his head grow.

    Numbers 6:18 KJB - And the Nazarite shall shave the head of his separation at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and shall take the hair of the head of his separation, and put it in the fire which is under the sacrifice of the peace offerings.

    Numbers 6:19 KJB - And the priest shall take the sodden shoulder of the ram, and one unleavened cake out of the basket, and one unleavened wafer, and shall put them upon the hands of the Nazarite, after the hair of his separation is shaven:

    Judges 13:5 KJB - For, lo, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and no razor shall come on his head: for the child shall be a Nazarite unto God from the womb: and he shall begin to deliver Israel out of the hand of the Philistines.

    Judges 16:17 KJB - That he told her all his heart, and said unto her, There hath not come a razor upon mine head; for I have been a Nazarite unto God from my mother's womb: if I be shaven, then my strength will go from me, and I shall become weak, and be like any other man.
    Finally, Pauls' dealing with the believers, who argued over such trivial matter as head coverings of women [between Jew and Gentile believers, etc], Paul took them back to Genesis as the foundation, and then says of local 'custom':

    1 Corinthians 11:16 KJB - But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.
    There are other great references in scripture [KJB] on this subject, which help add to the depth which is herein given, such as in Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Revelation, etc..
     
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    That does not nullify his teachings about deacons or their wives.


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  8. Darrell C Well-Known Member
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    Just curious, why doesn't your icon list what faith you are of?


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    Scriptures teach clearly that God has not called into ministry as pastors/Elders in the local assemblies!
     
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    God has indeed blessed [Acts 3:26 KJB]. I was not attempting to "nullify" any scriptural [KJB] teaching. I was simply responding to a specific point brought up.

    1 Timothy 3 KJB is perfectly clear to all who prayerfully and humbly read it.
     
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    I am a true [by the grace of God, a wheat, not tare, a sheep, not goat, a wise, not foolish] Seventh-day Adventist, that prophetically foretold remnant of her "seed", which keep the Commandments of God, and have the Testimony and Faith of Jesus Christ, whom the Dragon is wroth with and even now makes continual war with, and I am unashamed [Romans 1:16, 9:33, 10:11; 2 Timothy 1:8, 2:15, etc KJB] of it. [ask anyone, in Christ, here about my boldness in Christ Jesus]

    To answer your question, I have no idea. I had been banned here for 3 years, for continually posting a video [in response to Roman Catholicisms Jesuitical teachings here] by Elder Dennis Priebe on the Everlasting Gospel, and what Sin is and is not, and about absolute victory over sin, in the here and now, our probationary time, in Christ Jesus [which moderators deleted repeatedly], and came back recently, and things have changed a little. I hadn't really noticed it in lately, and not sure how to alter it. I will look into it. Thank you for letting me know.
     
  12. Darrell C Well-Known Member
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    Oh, so you're a Jew, then, lol. How do you know, in advance of the Tribulation, that you are going to be one of the Jews provided shelter in the last half?

    ;)

    My understanding is that the forum is under new ownership, but don't quote me on that. There have been some changes, most for the good, in my view.

    Glad to see you back. Perhaps we can get the chance to talk things Eschatological.


    God bless.
     
  13. Darrell C Well-Known Member
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    Me too, lol.

    So are you KJVonly? Sorry, just curious.


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  14. Darrell C Well-Known Member
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    Called what?

    Just kidding, I know what you meant.


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    Thank you for the welcome brother. Sure, would be glad to speak with you or anyone on the eschatological, or simply prophetical. Here are some of my threads and detailed information on 666, Michael of Daniel, Daniel and Revelation, and death and resurrection, etc:


    You may even download the studies for free, in entire here -

    Michael the archangel [Jesus, Uncreated Etenal Creator, Son and Highest Messenger of the Father] -
    Daniel and Revelation structure; Psalms 77:13 KJB:


    You and I can speak in another thread or those latter two threads [the 666 is closed, having come to its end] if you would like on the prophetical or eschatological.

    You may also like to read, to get an overall view, The Great Controversy 1888 or 1911 ed. -

    You may also peruse the Loud Cry section here:

    awhn
    Let me know what you think in those places, or create another and invite me and as time allows, I shall join you in discussion and prayerful study.
     
  16. Darrell C Well-Known Member
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    I looked at a few of them and chose the Immortal Soul, though because it was closed I started a thread for discussion.

    I will have to get back to it tomorrow, though, as I am out of time for the evening.


    God bless.
     
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    Same difference to me. Okay, their heads were to be covered while remaining quiet. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the ladies of biblical times wear veils as part of their dress? Also, when I was a child, even Catholic women were required to wear a head covering in church prior to the Vatican II Council. I am sure this requirement came directly from this passage.
     
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    Are you Sda?
     
  19. One Baptism Active Member

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    In post #11 of this very thread, I responded to such a question:

    "I am a true [by the grace of God, a wheat, not tare, a sheep, not goat, a wise, not foolish] Seventh-day Adventist, that prophetically foretold remnant of her "seed", which keep the Commandments of God, and have the Testimony and Faith of Jesus Christ, whom the Dragon is wroth with and even now makes continual war with, and I am unashamed [Romans 1:16, 9:33, 10:11; 2 Timothy 1:8, 2:15, etc KJB] of it. [ask anyone, in Christ, here about my boldness in Christ Jesus] ..." - Orthodox Scholars Reaffirm Theological Validity of Women Deacons

    And so, therefore, to answer your question, without obfuscation, "I am Seventh-day Adventist.", which is more fiting than simply "Sda", which attempts to shorten the powerful name given unto us by God, for everytime it is said, written, it is a living sermon, doctrine, reproof, correction, instruction in righteouness, rebuke in love, of itself, a name to tremble at because of what it encompasses within its character, even Alpha to Omega, Beginning unto Ending, First to Last, and Author to Finisher ... Creation to Redemption, perfection unto perfection, glory to glory ... Seventh-day unto Advent ....
     
  20. pastorcwb New Member

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    i'm pretty sure the bible says "if a MAN desires the office of a bishop or a deacon, he desires a great thing........."

    Man........not Woooooman