Palin Is Right

What makes you think that those deaths will not actually increase under the proposed eugenics health care bill? These "poor" babies (Those who escaped the abortuary) are of no "social value" and at the bottom of the investment machine. Though admitted , they may or may not get the proper treatment depending on the statistical model and the assessment of the eugenics panel.

Also there will be those on the other end of life spectrum who will be urged to "leave"(die) or just denied quality life-saving treatment so that others with a greater "investment" potential and of greater current worth to society can have their hospital bed.


HankD

 

All money and effort should be made to save the lives of the 101 year old as we would a 40 year old. Anything else is pure evil.

 

There is no death panel. That is a radical right lie.

 

Duuuh. They don't have health insurance now. They will under Obama's plan. With health insurance they won't be ferried around to find the cheapest hospital. The figures speak for themselves.

 

You're just kidding yourself if you think health care isn't rationed today. Have you ever known someone who died without health insurance? I have. He didn't get the kind of care "special people" get in our society.

 

So why didn't you pay for his, like you are demanding from us ? Where is the example you set ?

 

They don't need it. There is a legal mandate that no one can be turned away from a publicly funded ER. Almost every State has a Medicaid program. Can we do more and better? Absolutely.

Look, alatide, although I am a staunch pro-life, I am way over on the liberal side when it comes to entitlements of the poor and needy even for illegal aliens.

The good samaritan asked nothing of the man in the ditch. He didn't need to know if he was the proper religion or if he was "qualified" to receive his help. In fact, he even supplied more than enough to cover his needs.

Jesus made no qualifications for the feeding of the 5000. He didn't ask anyone if they were legal citizens, criminals, felons, etc. He asked nothing in return and even made the disciples clean up the mess.

James 2

15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?​

1 John 3
17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?​

But after studying HR3200 and the writings of the president's advisors, I am convinced that this "heath care" reform package is in reality a rationing system approaching the science of eugenics and perhaps even meant to ultimately reach the goal eliminating from society those who are of little or no social value.​

I am old enough to remember when abortion was considered the unforgivable sin. No one ever dreamed in their wildest imagination (to quote a cliche) that the government would ever legalize the murder of the unborn. ​

Now, not only do we slaughter the innocent and helpless in the womb, we have come full circle with euthanasia (murder of the elderly) disguised as "death with dignity" (Legal here in the State of Washington BTW).​

So, pardon me, but I'm very skeptical after seeing the legalized murder of abortion and euthanasia now become a common and acceptable event in my day. Add to that the content of the underlying documents of this bill and I have little doubt where this is going to end. Are we that blind?​

Yes, compassionate America (even as generous and charitable as we are) can do much much more for the poor and needy. I do and plan to do more. ​

This package is not the answer. The real answer must come from the public (our answer is NO!) so that we don't get ensnared in a "fishy" government run program which takes 1000 plus pages to explain the summarized version, the details to come later after it's passed (dejavu, the "stimulus" package. ​

Fool me once?​

HankD​

 

Do insurance companies ration health care?

 

Notwithstanding your pious remarks Michelle Obama and Axelrod were shuffling the poor from the University of Chicago emergency room to cheaper hospitals. Michelle and Barak are all heart!

 

Me neither

 

I don't know why I would expect the truth from you. If you don't think insurance companies ration care, you are fooling yourself, unless you have an insurance company that will authorize any service you request. You do know that lying is a sin, right?

 

Then refrain from it and false accusations. Making vague accusations like this do nothing to support your position. There is a huge difference between insurance willing to pay for care and the government inhibiting care because of an evil perception that it is for the greater good of all.

 

Will you insurance company pay for any procedure or not? If they won't then your point is moot.

 

I've come to the realization that all politicians are right. But it's a matter of perception. :thumbs:

 

Sarah seems to talk out of both sides of her mouth. Here is her proclamation on Health Care Decision Day in Alaska.......

Now, if we twist her words, as she twisted them in the bill, we could accuse her of the same or worse. Admit it folks, she is simply a politician tying to stay in the public eye.

http://politicsorpoppycock.com/2009/08/19/palin-backed-end-of-life-counseling-as-alaska-governor/

 

Crabtownboy

You would not understand it but there is a world of difference between individuals making decisions regarding end of life care and the government making those decisions for them.