Pants Or No Pants

I had another post in this thread in reference to Scarlett's post on discretion. I checked the spelling and everything.

I wonder where it went. I hope it isn't on another thread!

 

mmm well I can't find it. Maybe I hit something other than submit. I'm doing some serious multitasking here!

I read a quote by Julia Louis-Dreyfuss (who I never thought I'd be quoting) asking where these girls' (the ones Scarlett listed) mamas are? Well, some of them have made it very clear where they are and they aren't teaching them anything.

Since I work with teens, I see some parents just like these. I see more that started out with good intentions, but the minute things got tough, they backed down. In the backing down, we just get more and more Parises and Brittanys and Lindsays.

Since we've got so many showing no discretion, wisdom, etc, - so few seeking God -- and since the pendelum has swung so far toward the any-thing goes/promiscuity edge, it makes me wonder what will happen next -- The swing back is usually pretty drastic.

 

The best thing to do for them is to pray. Tell your sisters that what they hold are convictions from the Bible. Their convictions are based upon the verse of men not wearing that which apertaineth to a woman and women wearing that which apertaineth to a man. It sounds like your sisters in Christ are a little out of balane.

 

Yes and yes.

 

I'm thinking you're asking for it!:laugh: I've been quiet for 5 whole pages but there's only so much we gals can take. lol!

As to your question, of course immodesty encourages criminal activity. I believe it was Ted Bundy who first started out looking at porn, then he went further and commited rape and murder. I think if we had no porn in America, we'd have less crime against women and children.

While I agree that immodesty contributes to lust, I think you should re-word the question to ask if lust has had an effect on modestly. Think about it. Women don't just suddenly decide to dress immodestly for no reason. They do it because they think they will look pretty or desirable.

But if you're saying that pants equal immodesty, sorry, I don't agree and won't discuss it without a rolling pin in my hand.

 

ummmm, I think pants are preferable to no pants.

:laugh:

 

I don't think the breakdown of modesty has contributed to the breakdown of the family. Instead, I think our dress is a reflection of our attitudes. It is a symptom, not the main disease. When our attitude toward God is wrong, it distorts our attitudes about marriage, modesty, etc. It is the heart that chooses to do right or wrong.

You asked if pants on women were ever considered immodest. Ironically, you also mentioned that they were used by women for modesty at work during WWII. I think that Hollywood women first started wearing slacks and society was shocked and scandalized by their boldness and rebellion against established tradition. These gals were considered brazen, bossy, and feminists. They had little regard for morals, and people identified them by their slacks and cigarettes and daring bathing suits. Their clothes did not make them rebellious, but rather, their attitudes controlled their modesty standards.

Now take a Christian young woman on a farm who wears slacks to milk the cows and muck out the barn. It's easier and more convenient to wear slacks so she starts wearing them to the store and around town. Then some pious skirt-wearing believers start snubbing her for being "rebellious" like the Hollywood crowd. They judge her clothing, not her attitude. They start putting more emphasis on their good work (wearing skirts) instead of the heart and consider themselves better Christians. And so it continues until the younger generation just can't understand what all the fuss is about.

 

Say it ain't so, Scarlett O!

gee, that rhymed...

 

When did pants on men become the norm.. if we are looking at biblical standards, the robe was...

Just curious, was there a "scandal" when the first few men put on pants instead of robes...

And what is the difference?
If Jeans on a woman is immodest, why would jeans on a man be modest?

I have heard the reasoning that you can see the outline of a woman's body when they are wearing jeans..... OK, you can see the outline of a man's body when wearing jeans too...

What makes men wearing jeans OK, but women wearing them wrong?

I know women that lust after men wearing jeans.

Does that mean that we all should dress in biblical garments?

Now where did I put my toga?

 

This is my point exactly. With the exception of BapMom, I have never, ever met anyone who believed in "skirts only" who didn't have a better-than-thou attitude about it. We are to glory in the cross, not ourselves for the way we dress.

I wonder, as TT said, if people were horrified when men stopped wearing robes and donned pants instead.

In Iraq, women are required to cover themselves head to toe. Does that make me immodest because I disagree with their definition of modesty? Of course not.