Parenthood Unconstitutional?

FP,

Yet and still, what they consented to is not what actually happened. That is, to me, a breach of trust and an extinuating circumstance in favor of the parents.

Joseph Botwinick

 

1. You're right. Not everyone can be a school board member. Everyone can, however call, write, or e-mail their school board member. Everyone can also show up at the board meetings and address the school board.

2. Yes. They can vote too.

3. Agreed. Let's watch this get appealed and overturned, just like the majority of this fruitcake court's decisions are.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Overturning this idiotic ruling will not destroy that.

I highly doubt that the SCOTUS will overturn their Meyer-Pierce rule. This rule, based on two SCOTUS cases, says that parents have the "first" right, not an "exclusive" right. At best we can hope that the SCOTUS claims that the Meyer-Pierce rule does not apply to this case, but I find that to be wishful thinking.

 

What the SC will overturn is the declaration that parents have no rights to control what their children will be exposed to at school. That is idiotic (as is most liberal ideas) and will be overturned.

Joseph Botwinick

 

That may be so, but it will not be done with this case. The parents did not provide evidence for "why" their rights were violated, only that they "were" violated. The SCOTUS will deny cert. Take Wisconsin v. Yoder, for example, the Yoder's argued that their 1st amendment right to free exercise of religion, a religion their children were subject to, was violated by Wisconsin school districts without due process of law. If the parents, in this case, have any chance of going before the SCOTUS they need better lawyers, more versed in constitutional arguments.

 

Man. I work late and miss all the bitter and cynical commentary. Shoot!

I think the parents in this school district need to be asking the right people just what their tax dollars are paying for. Not everyone can be a school board member but everyone can vote? Um well does *EVERYONE* actually know how to get something on the ballot? Prob not. Which is why you should have paid better attention in school Gina.

No please dont leave this thread. Let's leave the 9th and their cracked pot decisions and the flair in the dramatic commentary about all that is wrong with this world in one spot.

C4K..never advocated that tactic, just saw a small opening that someone would likely use, had they the chance.

 

Moving to Politics before this reaches page three.

 

All the finer legal points aside, asking a child of seven if they wanted to touch other folks private parts is a sick big brother act. I don't care if the case had holes, the question should not be asked. FP, I have discussed the issue of pediopheila with both my children, and it was not wise or necessary for me to probe weather they wanted to touch someones private parts. So I don't see that as a justification for such questions.

 

Nor do I. I was pointing out why the parents should have been on guard given the permission slip sent home. Just because I do not see the relevance in asking children questions of this nature, does not mean the school holds my view. Frankly the parents should have known that these types of questions, not the specific questions, may be asked, and should have asked to see the surveys before blindly signing the permission slip.

 

This whole premise is wrong

Giving the school the right to act in loco parentis is not a total abdication of my parental rights and responsibilities while they are there.

 

I think my response is I can no longer trust the schools in any social engineering effort, so I will not coperate in any surveys. I think they need to just stick with the three R's. from now on.

On the issue of pedophillia, did you see datline show tonight. Scary. It reairs on Sat. One of the guys was a special ed teacher and one was a rabbi.

 

Giving the school the right to act in loco parentis is not a total abdication of my parental rights and responsibilities while they are there. </font>[/QUOTE]I said that, didn't I?

Joseph Botwinick

 

"This whole premise is wrong

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But o n Wednesday, a three-judge panel of the 9th Circuit dismissed the case, saying, "There is no fundamental right of parents to be the exclusive provider of information regarding sexual matters to their children...Parents have no due process or privacy right to override the "determinations of public schools as to the information to which their children will be exposed while enrolled as students."
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Giving the school the right to act in loco parentis is not a total abdication of my parental rights and responsibilities while they are there."---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Good point c4k, and if you read some of the stuff that comes out of hte all powerful teachers unions, there attitude is that the parents need to stay out of the schools business. I don't think local influence is very strong now a days and the federal gov uses funding as a way to get their way. This kind of garbage is the end result. Homeschool anyone???

 

Interesting thoughts.

1. I would be happy if parents whose children are failing miserably and who have behavior issues would just show up for a parent teacher conference...or at least answer the phone, or have current contact information when I am trying to call them.

2. It would also be my experience that many of these same parents who don't want to answer their phone, much less show up for a parent teacher conference, are the first ones beating down my door when they have a problem or if they are defending the behavior of their rebellious children. It would seem that many parents want to have no responsibility for their children's education...but want to be able to gripe and complain about how we do our jobs in order to defend their children's poor behavior and grades.

3. I have no problem with parents being involved in the school's business. I would just like for them to also be involved in their child's life first, and also be held accountable for how they raise their children. Let's see here: No Child Left Behind: Parent Edition (the sequel): If you don't discipline your children and make them do their homework, perhaps you don't love them enough to have them and the state should take them away from you.

4. On the positive side, there are some parents out there who love their children and are quite involved with the schools where I teach, and they are, for the most part, quite welcome in our building. The sad part is that they are the exception and not the rule.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Giving the school the right to act in loco parentis is not a total abdication of my parental rights and responsibilities while they are there. </font>[/QUOTE]I said that, didn't I?

Joseph Botwinick </font>[/QUOTE]I know it is hard to believe Joseph, but my point was to agree with and support you

 

I'm sure you are doing a steller job, Joseph. My wife is a teacher by trade and I could tell you stories too. One lady my wife called told my wife it was her job to deal with the problems and that was what she was paying taxes for and to not ever call again. But non the less, their are powers influenceing the schools that want to overide the parents, even the good ones, and that is scary.

It was also our experience that alot of Christian teacher disagree with the push of the teacher's unions, yet they will join and pay dues so as to get the insurance. We would not join, and good christian teachers pressured my wife to join. I encouraged some of these teachers to at least write a letter to the unions to stop them from using their dues for political activities but I don't think any of them bothered.

 

1. I am a member of the Union because I know better than to trust the system. It is an adversarial system, which is quite a shame.

2. I don't, however, pressure anyone else to join. I also don't listen to griping and complaining when administrators try and mess over those who are not union members. I simply tell them to join the union or deal with it.

3. My local union does not use my dues for political activity. If I want my dues used for political activities, I must designate money specifically for that political cause.

Joseph Botwinick

 

But you do agree that the unions are pushing some left wing stuff, yes? In the right to work states like NC, I never saw the unions benefit the teachers. And the only reason any ever cited for joining was for the malpractice insurance. How have they benefited teachers that you know?

 

They have protected their rights when administrators tried to make their lives miserable in personal vendettas. I will not discuss specifics.

Joseph Botwinick

 

I mean was that by porvideing legal fees in a court case or was that direct intervention?